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To: Orcastraiter who wrote (25537)	1/8/2005 1:08:16 PM
From: Augustus Gloop	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 90947

I really think (for good reason) that it was determined that Arafat couldn't be negotiated with. Personally I believe he, and the terror groups within his borders, held the keys to settling down the entire ME. Now we have candidates running who embrace the likes of Hamas. Israel isn't perfect and there are some things I disagree with them about but they do have the right to violently defend themselves against suicide bombers. So while we were discussing Iraq I believe the common link throughout the ME is Israel and Terror.

To: Orcastraiter who wrote (25537)	1/8/2005 4:12:47 PM
From: fresc	Respond to of 90947

Bush did the right thing! Yasser had no desire for peace. But loved the spotlight. I see you have no problem with Jordon killing Palestinians. 80% of Jordon is Palestinian... "Meanwhile, both Hussein and Arafat attended the meeting of leaders of Arab countries in Cairo and on September 27 Hussein signed an agreement that treated both sides as equals and acknowledged the right of the Palestinian organizations to operate in Jordan. The next day, Egypt's Nasser died of a sudden heart attack. Estimates of the number Palestinians killed in the ten days of Black September range from five to over ten thousand, although exact numbers are unknown. The reporters were concentrated at the Intercontinental hotel, away from the action. Major radio stations, BBC Arabic service and Voice of the Arabs from Cairo were both pro-Palestinian and reported alleged genocide. [edit] After September The situation in Syria became unstable and soon Hafez al-Assad overthrew the civilian government and became the ruler of Syria. On October 31, Arafat whose position was weakened, had to sign another agreement (similar to one of November 1968) that returned control over Jordan to the King, requiring the dismantlement of Palestinian militant bases and banning their members from carrying unconcealed weapons. At a meeting of the Palestinian National Council that followed, both PFLP and DFLP groups refused to accept this agreement and instead, accepted the proposal that Jordan would be a part of a Palestinian state to replace both Jordan and Israel. The violations continued and on November 9, Jordanian prime minister Wasfi al-Tal signed an order to confiscate illegal weapons. By January 1971, the army strengthened its control over the cities. Another agreement regarding surrendering weapons was signed and broken. After the discovery of illegal arms warehouse in Irbid in the Spring, the army placed a curfew and began arresting the rebels. On June 5, several leading Palestinian organizations including Arafat's Fatah, called on Radio Baghdad to overthrew King Hussein as the only way to prevent "a peace agreement between Israel and Jordan". The army regained control over the last remaining rebel strongholds, mountainous cities of Jerash and Ajloun. As King Hussein declared "absolute quiet" in the kingdom, Fatah members announced that they prefer to die rather than surrender. Seventy-two (some sources cite two hundred) of fleeing Palestinian militants chose to cross the Jordan river to West Bank and surrender to the Israel Defense Forces. [edit] Aftermath The number of casualties in what resembled a civil war, are estimated in tens of thousands, both sides were involved in intentional killing of civilians. It was a turning point for Jordanian identity, as the kingdom embarked on the program of "Jordanization" of the society. Palestinian militants were driven out to Lebanon. See Lebanon Civil War. The terrorist group Black September, was established by Fatah. On November 28 1971, in Cairo, four of its members assassinated Wasfi al-Tal. See also Munich massacre."

To: Orcastraiter who wrote (25537)	1/9/2005 3:14:27 AM
From: Selectric II	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 90947

The Clinton plan was a start. Bush should have entered into negotiations with the Israelis and Palestinians in January of 2001. So, Clinton's failure in this arena, as elsewhere, was Bush's fault? "Negotiations" are a means, not a resolution. Clinton entered into "negotiations." Tell us of his success, nitwit. Clinton's legacy: - US economy bubble and crash - the rise of al Qaeda with no US response, leading to 9/11: '93 WTC bombing, Khobar Towers bombing, African Embassy bombings, USS Kohl bombing with no response (gosh, is there a pattern here?) You and your ilk are entirely too transparent.