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To: carranza2 who wrote (155627)	1/8/2005 4:13:22 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

You've got to be kidding. The most important factor for the left is that it sees we are in a war we did not need to be in, to accomplish that which is unlikely to be accomplished, at a cost which compromises our safety (internal and external), and our economy. And as for your idea that the left's problems with the Iraq invasion are because they don't like Bush, you've got it backwards. Lots of lefties saw his response post 9/11 as sort of hopeful, until he started out on his very silly scheme to "hopefulize" Iraq. The left is appalled at Bush because of the war, not the other way around.

To: carranza2 who wrote (155627)	1/8/2005 8:06:26 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

In my view, the most important factor is a very personalized one, namely, a visceral hatred of Bush which trumps Saddam's misdeeds. This business of "risk calculation," etc., is ex post facto balderdash. It's the same [I suppose] psychological dynamic we saw during the Vietnam war, with LBJ and Nixon being the goats instead of W, while the Vietcong's atrocities were seriously minimized and, in fact, made glamorous. It's a combination of Bush hatred and cognitive dissonance about their own policies. Since the only course they approved involved leaving Saddam in power and lifting the sanctions, they must whitewash Saddam and blackwash all America's actions, so that they can believe that they were well-intentioned to the Iraqis, and anyway the Americans have impure motives and made everything worse. "Iraq was just fine until America broke it" is how GST put it, I believe. If you admit how awful Saddam was it becomes hard to hold this position. You come off as quite uncaring.