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To: Janice Shell who wrote (1807)	1/9/2005 2:49:49 AM
From: manny_velasco	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 5425

Does this anwer your question about tony's front running? By Carol S. Remond . Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES . NEW YORK (Dow Jones)--Robert Hansen now says that what he, and others, did on the Anthony Elgindy's private investing Web site was illegal. But when Hansen, the site's former webmaster, first testified in front a grand jury in 2002 about what was happening on the site, he had a different story. "You told the government (in testimony Monday) one thing and you told the grand jury another. How do we know" what is true?, defense lawyer Joel Isaacson asked Tuesday during his cross-examination of Hansen. On Monday Hansen had testified for the government in the criminal trial of Elgindy and former FBI special agent Jeffrey Royer in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of New York in Brooklyn. Elgindy and Royer were charged in May 2002 with several counts of securities fraud, market manipulation and extortion. The government alleges that Royer would share information he obtained from confidential Federal Bureau of Investigation databases with Elgindy and others, and that they would trade on the insider information. Hansen told jurors Monday that on several occasions, he traded on confidential information obtained from Royer. He said that he knew that it was illegal. Elgindy's lawyer Isaacson questioned Hansen Tuesday and highlighted how the witness' story changed over time. "Did you indicate to the grand jury that you didn't think that (Elgindy) would front run?" Isaacson asked Hansen. Hansen had told jurors Monday that he thought that Elgindy would trade ahead of the advice he would give members of his Web site, a practice known as front running. On Tuesday, Hansen answered Isaacson's question by saying: "my understanding is that he didn't trade against the site. But I think he may have." Isaacson is expected to complete his cross-examination of Hansen after the lunch recess. The witness will then be questioned by Royer's lawyer, Lawrence Gerzog. Hansen hosted and managed Anthonypacific.com, Elgindy's private investing Web site, from late 1999 until Elgindy's arrest in May 2002. On Monday, federal Judge Raymond Dearie quashed a subpoena by Elgindy's defense lawyers to have access to a 48-page letter written by Hansen's lawyer in early 2003. In that letter, the lawyer argued that Hansen shouldn't be charged in the case since there was insufficient evidence to convict him. Hansen said Monday that he made false statements to the FBI and the grand jury when he first testified in 2002. Hansen was charged in March 2003 and pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit securities fraud. Other defendants are scheduled to be tried separately. -By Carol S. Remond, Dow Jones Newswires; 201-938-2074; carol.remond@dowjones.com . (END) Dow Jones Newswires November 23, 2004 14:33 ET (19:33 GMT)- - 02 33 PM EST 11-23-04

To: Janice Shell who wrote (1807)	1/9/2005 3:14:34 AM
From: Dale Baker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 5425

Did Tony ever claim on SI that he never lies? Yes. Do acts of fraud and deceit amount to lying? I think so. A general dictionary definition of fraud and deceit would use the same terms as lying as far as misrepresenting situations to obtain an unfair outcome (stealing money, traveling on fake ID). What's the relevance? It's a pattern of chronic dishonesty and deceit that Anthony specifically denied in public, despite the ample record documenting his dishonesty, including testimony from former close associates. You would think that the many lurkers out there would want to ponder the extent to which they believed someone who already went to prison once for fraud, and has other documented instances of deceit on the record. That seems relevant.

To: Janice Shell who wrote (1807)	1/9/2005 9:22:45 AM
From: ravenseye	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 5425

Janice your Shell psychobabble is refuted! ...Violations of the Identity Theft Act of 1998 are considered a federal crime and could be investigated by such authorities as the U.S. Secret Service, the FBI, and the U.S. Postal Inspection Service and prosecuted by the Department of Justice. Individual states also have separate legislation... archives.cnn.com Message #1807 from Janice Shell at 1/8/2005 4:58:53 PM Well...since you ask: Did Tony rip his mother off and did tony's mother file charges against him? Yes. Has tony ever use a fake id for any reason? Yes, when he was picked up at the airport last spring. Has tony ever front run any stocks to his member of his web site and then turn around and said no i do not do that? Don't know. But what's the relevance? None of the above would normally be considered a criminal offense. Tony's not in the running for the Mr Upstanding title; he's on trial for very specific offenses.