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Politics : A US National Health Care System? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: fresc who wrote (2)	1/8/2005 11:53:17 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42652

Having said all that! I do not think the system is sustainable. I pay taxes out of my ying yang! I've noticed that when I've been up there. You guys are taxed to DEATH! Tax rates like that down here would have the Minute Men out behind trees again. Sounds like US SS. At least as is. It's not sustainable. What's the point of a system that isn't? So you can live high on the hog and bankrupt your children or grandchildren's country? Not that the US has room to talk at the moment. National debt is climbing fast. I am from Canada and that sounds like a lot of smoke and mirrors. Ah, most of those links praise the Canadian system. Your life expectancy and infant mortality rates are in the header too. Which ones are smoke and mirrors? There's another question, though: How do you know your better numbers are a result of those outrageous taxes? Suppose you DIDN'T get robbed by your own gov't and had money to enjoy life? Is that worth nothing? Doctor shortage? hmmm, news to me. I highly doubt it is true. Then show it isn't. How many docs per capita in Canada versus US? What is the REAL cost of that system, anyway? One link says $2600 per capita. Call me skeptical. There are plenty of waiting lists to be sure but nothing to scary.(2-8 weeks for most things depending on severity) I work in the Health Care area so I have a idea on whats going on. Hmmmm. I've met numerous Canadians down here for treatment because they could get a procedure done quickly here and couldn't in Canada. Eh? My father just had a mild stroke, went to the hospital, told Doc's he had numbness in his arm, they did 2 c.t scans found nothing wrong finally Doc's did a Ultra sound, found 90% clot in his neck and 2 days later was operated and sent home the following day. Cost $0. I had a heart attack. ER. Angioplasty. Stent. 4 days in hospital. Cost: $0. I do have health insurance.

To: fresc who wrote (2)	1/9/2005 11:25:51 AM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42652

Doctor shortage? hmmm, news to me. I highly doubt it is true. Canada has one of the lowest ratios of doctors to population in the Western world, according to new figures from an international body. In 2001, Canada had 2.1 practising physicians for every 1,000 residents, less than half as many as Greece which came in at the top of the scale at 4.4, says a report from the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development. The list of countries that out-doctor Canada includes the Slovak Republic (3.6), Hungary and Switzerland (both at 3.5) and the Czech Republic (3.4). France, Germany and The Netherlands all had 3.3 doctors per 100,000, roughly a third more than Canada, according to figures released Thursday. Despite a significant increase in health spending since the 1990s, Canada's physician workforce remains far below the OECD average of 2.9. Researchers have been warning for at least a decade that Canada is facing a shortage of doctors, said Sunil Patel, president of the Canadian Medical Association. "Canadians face a very serious risk of dwindling health human resources," he said. "There's been no leadership shown by any level of government and especially the federal government." Among other things, he has called for the fast-tracking of accreditation for foreign medical graduates. The OECD average for doctors was 2.9 for each 100,000 of population, and the only countries with a lower number than Canada in 2001 were Mexico (1.5), Korea (1.4) and Turkey (1.3). The study does not provide 2001 figures for the United States or the United Kingdom but in 1999 the U.S. figure was 2.7 for each 100,000 and the U.K. figure was 2.0. The scarcity of Canadian doctors is in part the result of deliberate government policy. During the 1990s, provincial governments cut enrolment in medical and nursing schools as a strategy to cut medical costs. In recent years, the federal government has increased health spending and enrolment, but working conditions remain a major complaint. Patel said there were 11 doctors in Gimli, Man., when he started practising there in 1973, but now there are only five, even though the population has grown. He said Canada is losing an average of 250 doctors each year, mainly to the United States. Many of them are leaving because they lack the support and facilities, he said. "The working conditions are abominable. "Think of it - three million Canadians do not have access to a family doctor. That is unacceptable in a developed country. We need more hands on deck." The study found that Canada has more nurses per capita than the OECD average but the ratio has been dropping while in most other countries it has been ctv.ca 216.239.63.104 "We have fewer physicians per capita in Canada than almost any other industrialized country right now," said Dr. Peter Barrett, president of the Canadian Medical Association. canoe.ca Maybe you do have a problem.