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To: hedgefundman who wrote (1811)1/8/2005 6:40:23 PM
From: Jeffrey S. Mitchell  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 5425
 
...violates SEC acts and regulations. may only be civil violations, with penalties, including foreitures... criminal is possible, but not the subject of this trial.

Um, hello. Anyone home?

If you are going to comment on a trial, please at least have the courtesy to read the charges.

- Jeff



To: hedgefundman who wrote (1811)1/8/2005 8:45:13 PM
From: Jeffrey S. Mitchell  Respond to of 5425
 
Let's try this one more time. You wrote:

front runnin' may not be a crime, manipulation may not be a crime... may only be civil violations, with penalties, including foreitures

My point it, the lawsuit against Elgindy is in criminal court-- precisely because the government is contending that Elgindy's market manipulation was criminal, which, in your own words, you say it is not!

The following, which I've quoted from *many* times, is from a white-collar crime professor blog:

Note that the indictment says only that the information was “sometimes false.” While it may appear odd that the release of truthful information can be a crime, market manipulation cases brought under Section 10(b) and Rule 10b-5 do not require that false information be released, only that there be an omission of material information. The government’s claim is that Elgindy did not disclose his trading in the stock when he released the information, so that he engaged in “scalping.” The two main scalping cases are SEC v. Capital Gains Research Bureau, 375 U.S. 180 (1963), which involved a violation of § 206 of the Investment Advisers Act of 1940, and Zweig v. Hearst Corp., 594 F.2d 1261 (9th Cir. 1979). Neither case involved a criminal prosecution, and it will be interesting to see if the U.S. Attorney can establish a market manipulation case based on use of truthful information. The government also alleges that Elgindy and the other defendants engaged in insider trading based on the nonpublic information received from Royer, and that may be a stronger case of securities fraud. Insider trading only really works with truthful information. (ph) lawprofessors.typepad.com

Do you see why, no matter whether you like Elgindy or not, the trial is quite fascinating from a legal point of view? Perhaps had one moron not insisted Elgindy was a terrorist, we'd all be having a much more, interesting, civil (pun intended) conversation.

- Jeff