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To: average joe who wrote (92966)	1/8/2005 8:33:49 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

rights are derived from the capacity to reason, and thus people have rights and animals do not. Questionable. It is absurd to assert the higher animals do not have at least some consciousness. It has been demonstrated that they (and some of their "lesser") relatives can solve problems and fashion and use tools. Where now no reason? Legally, since people have rights and animals don't Then the Law, Sir, is an ass. And humans, the beneficiaries of that cruelty, get to make the laws. How would you expect them to come out? You ever see a cow in a voting booth? Legally, vegetarianism should not be enforced by the government for the same reason. That I will agree with.

To: average joe who wrote (92966)	1/8/2005 9:38:39 PM
From: one_less	Respond to of 108807

Nice article Joe. One element of Moskovits' argument is missing. That is the balancing effects of human responsibility with the issue of the well being of other creatures. The source of animal rights stems directly from the fact that human beings can resolve inequitable situations that would cause harm and ultimately rips in the fabric of society, where as; animals may only react defensively to injustice in some situations and are helpless in others. Not only with animals but with plants and the earth itself we see what happens when abuse to any aspect of creation is aloud to endure. For some reason Grainne dropped the earlier thread of discussion on animal rights but if you'd like to pick up where we left off it was at this point: Message 20917840 So, I would say animals, plants, and the earth it self do have rights, but; they are dependant on human beings to arbitrate the conditions of those rights based on the natural responsibility we have to care for the well being of all creation.