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To: GST who wrote (155790)1/10/2005 9:21:38 AM
From: michael97123  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
"I would expect Israel to end its occupation and remove its illegal settlements. That is not a concession to terrorists -- that is living up to your responsibilities to make peace."

Infitada was started to cover arafats ass with the europeans after rejecting a reasonable offer that most Pal leaders were willing to accept, including the new PM. Imagine how much further along we would be if arafat had accepted the barak/clinton offer. Ask any Pal excluding the terrorists--they would take the Clinton/Barak offer in a heartbeat, now. Thats the problem with the Pals--they always accept the last offer after they start and lose another war. Where we might agree is that I think Israel needs to go back in time and pick up more or less where was left off. But there can never be peace unless the terrorists renounce terror. Israel can make no concessions until this threat is largely removed. Mike



To: GST who wrote (155790)1/10/2005 12:04:02 PM
From: Nadine Carroll  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Hamas et al do not speak for the Palestinians

Hamas is polling about 30% support right now. Plus, the majority of Palestinians favor suicide bombing.

You don't need majority support when you use a gun to do your talking. Remember early in the campaign, when there was an attempt on Abu Mazen's life? That was a warning.

The Palestinians are who they are, not who you wish them to be so that you can lay all the blame for the failure of every talk on Israel.

Michael is spot-on when he says that the Pals always want the deal they could have had before they started and lost the last war.