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To: cosmicforce who wrote (93267)1/11/2005 2:47:19 PM
From: Oeconomicus  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 108807
 
Assuming facts not in evidence. Sure - if the shirt is the very embodiment of evil, you should not buy it.

BTW, what makes you think the maker or seller of the $23 "made-in-America" shirt "gives a darn" about your health or isn't concerned with "making [themselves] rich"? In all likelihood, they don't and they are. If otherwise, they may be very caring people, but probably won't be in business long.

As for "but that kills American jobs, that might be a foolish thing for me as a consumer", that is an economically indefensible reason for not buying the imported shirt.

PS: Assuming the Chinese shirt-maker really is (i.e. is demonstrably) destroying the environment and the American one is (certifiably) not, how much more would you be willing to pay for the "green" shirt?



To: cosmicforce who wrote (93267)1/11/2005 3:32:06 PM
From: epicure  Respond to of 108807
 
"In an earlier essay, I argued that Uncle Sam's power rests on two pillars only, the paper dollar and the Pentagon. Each supports the other, but the vulnerability of each is also an Achilles' heel that threatens the viability of the other. Since then, Iraq, not to mention Afghanistan, has shown confidence in the Pentagon not to be what it was cracked up to be; and with the in-part-consequent decline in the dollar, so has confidence in it and Uncle Sam's ability to use it to finance his Pentagon's foreign adventures (See Coup d'Etat and Paper Tiger in Washington, Fiery Dragon in the Pacific, which also conjures up the productive growth of China). Additionally we must realize that Uncle Sam's numbers above and below are also all literally relative. So far relations with other countries, in particular with China, still favor Uncle Sam, but they also help maintain an image that is deceptive. Consider the following:
A $2 toy leaving a US-owned factory in China is a $3 shipment arriving at San Diego. By the time a US consumer buys it for $10 at Wal-Mart, the US ECONOMY registers $10 in final sales, less $3 import cost, for a $7 addition to the US GDP. (Blaming 'undervalued' yuan wins votes, Asia Times Online, February 26, 2004)
Moreover, ever-clever Uncle Sam has arranged matters so as to earn 9% from his economic and financial holdings abroad, while foreigners earn only 3% on theirs, and among them on their Treasury Certificates only 1% real return. Note that this difference of 6 percentage points is already double what Uncle Sam pays out, and his total 9% take is triple the 3% he gives back. Therefore, although foreign holdings and Uncle Sam's are now about equal, Uncle Sam is still the big net interested winner, just like any Shylock, but no other ever did so grand a business. "

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To: cosmicforce who wrote (93267)1/11/2005 4:04:55 PM
From: epicure  Respond to of 108807
 
:-)
I'm getting tired of WWI...so I am reading the news as a diversion-

Rising Seas Threaten Islands, Cities, Coasts

Tue Jan 11, 9:04 AM ET

By Alister Doyle, Environment Correspondent

OSLO (Reuters) - It sounds insignificant alongside the Indian Ocean tsunami, yet an almost imperceptible annual rise in the world's oceans may pose a huge threat to ports, coasts and islands by 2100.



Leaders of 37 small island states meet in Mauritius this week to discuss an early warning system to protect against tsunamis and a creeping rise in ocean levels, blamed widely on global warming.

Rising sea levels, now about 0.08 inch a year, could swamp low-lying countries like Tuvalu in the Pacific or the Maldives in the Indian Ocean if temperatures keep rising.

They could also lead to hugely expensive damage worldwide.

"It's often presented as a problem only for developing nations," said Mike MacCracken, chief scientist for climate change programs at the Climate Institute, a Washington think-tank.

"(But) developed countries will be very much at risk because so much infrastructure is at sea level."

Many of the world's biggest cities are near coasts -- including Calcutta, Dhaka, Lagos, London, New York, Shanghai and Tokyo. Flooding could cause billions of dollars of damage. In Bangladesh, 17 million people live less than three feet above sea level.

McCracken and some other experts say that recent evidence of a faster than expected melt of Greenland and Antarctic ice indicate that the rise in sea levels would be in the upper half of a 3.5-34.5 inch range projected by the U.N.'s climate panel by 2100.

Seas rose by 3.9-7.8 inches in the 20th century, according to the U.N. scientists. Thermal expansion -- water gets bigger as it warms -- would be the main cause of rising seas while melting glaciers and ice caps would add volume.

CO2 RISES

The U.N. panel projects that overall temperatures will rise by 2.5-10.5 degrees Fahrenheit by 2100, mainly because of a build-up of carbon dioxide from cars, factories and power plants. Some scientists say U.N. models are scare-mongering.

"We have no reason to believe, as suggested by most global warming scenarios, that massive flooding will occur due to an increase in sea levels," Nils Axel-Morner of the University of Stockholm wrote in a report.

He predicted oceans would gain 3.9 inches by 2100, avoiding the need for extra measures like those to protect Venice, where the city is sinking, or dykes like those to shield the Netherlands.

Others say the world can adapt -- fossil seashells have been found high in the Himalayas and continents are almost always rising or falling. Still, many countries favor caution.

The U.N.'s 128-nation Kyoto protocol, which seeks to curb emissions of carbon dioxide, will come into force on Feb. 16. The United States pulled out in 2001, saying it was too costly and that its targets to 2012 wrongly excluded poor countries.

"The cost of defending cities would be enormous but the value at stake is also enormous so protection makes sense," said Richard Klein, a senior researcher at the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research.

"It makes less sense to defend agricultural land," he said.



Poor countries would be least able to build defenses, exacerbating the impact of rising seas, he added. "Vulnerability to rising seas has as much a social dimension as an environmental one," he said.

NEW ROAD DESIGN?

McCracken said countries needed to consider whether to build roads parallel to the coast on levies in low-lying areas or further back, with spurs toward the sea. And they needed to stop, for instance, building sewage farms at sea level.

He said a gradual rise in sea levels often caused erosion because, over time, it made coasts more vulnerable to hurricanes or cyclones.

"It doesn't happen gradually. People stay on the coast and then there is a big event like a storm or a tsunami. Then the coastline changes dramatically," he said. More than 145,000 people died in the Dec. 26 earthquake and ensuing huge waves which hit coasts from Indonesia to Somalia.

Scientific evidence from the past varies widely.

Yossi Mart, of Israel's University of Haifa, said that based on structures like Roman aqueducts and the sluice gates of a Herodian harbor, sea levels 2,000 years ago in the eastern Mediterranean were similar to those now.

"In the Crusader times, during the 12th-13th centuries, the principal jetty was built for a sea level which is lower than the present by more than 50 cm (19.7 inches)," he said.

Conrad Neumann, professor of marine sciences at the University of North Carolina, said sea levels jumped inexplicably by 12 feet about 120,000 years ago, based on surveys in the Bahamas. They dropped again almost as rapidly.

"There was no man-made effect on the climate then," he said. "But we shouldn't mess with the climate; it can change in a hurry. If it's a sleeping dragon don't poke it with a stick: our stick might be carbon dioxide."