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To: Grainne who wrote (93431)	1/12/2005 2:40:46 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

I think people who are used to the idea of animals being used, and used in any way people want (flesh, bone, breeding machines, research test subjects) aren't going to get this at all.

To: Grainne who wrote (93431)	1/12/2005 3:16:20 PM
From: Oral Roberts	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

The dairyman is not plunging his hand up her vagina or birth canal. He is running his hand up her rectum and clearing the manure so that he can feel her cervix so that he may insert the tube in order to discharge the thawed semen. The tube by the way is not much larger the perhaps 1/8" diameter. Since the cow doesn't come unwound or even much care about all of this I find it hard to believe that she is feeling like she is getting raped. In fact they usually don't even stop eating while this happens. Now by using AI we can do a lot of things for the cow. We can give her 2 good cycles to regain her uterine health. This wouldn't happen with a bull by the way, she would be violently raped on her first heat only 30 days or so after calving. With AI we can also control the size of the calf so we aren't killing first calf heifers by having them try to throw 120 lb calves. We can also mate them to bulls who are known to correct any faults she may have so that each generation is a healthier animal. You should maybe go tour a dairy facility because your ideas of the cows suffering are way off base. Of course animal rights folks are much more into sensationalism then fact and always have been. Farmer can't make much money if his animals are in terror and suffering but that doesn't make a good story for the folks who've never seen a dairy cow much less a modern dairy.

To: Grainne who wrote (93431)	1/12/2005 4:58:02 PM
From: Ish	Respond to of 108807

<<When a dairy cow is artificially inseminated she has not choice in the matter. >> You ever watch them collect semen for an AI? I've watched it done with a 1,200 pound stud horse and if you held a gun to my head I wouldn't hold the collection tube. Now why AI? Like with humans some bulls or stallions tend to sire better off spring and those are the ones who's traits we want to pass on. The stud I watched was "milked" every two days and that was about as active as he would have been in with a mare in heat. Of course if he went after a mare that wasn't fully in heat she could seriously injure him by kicking when he tried to mount. Ok, now once every two days and that horse isn't going to cover many mares in a year. Plus most people want the mares to foal in the spring so there's a 2 month window for breeding. Now with AI the semen can be collected all year and frozen, 180 ejaculations instead of 30. Now each ejaculation can be cut into 4 "doses" that will get the job done. Now that stud has passed on better genes to 720 mares rather than 30. BTW, skim milk is added when the dose is inserted. Sorry to do horses but I haven't been around cow breeding that much.

To: Grainne who wrote (93431)	1/12/2005 5:49:41 PM
From: average joe	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Well just think of the poor bull, to collect semen an electrical shocker is stuck up his butt until it contacts the prostate and then electrical current surges through him causing him to release semen. We used to collect semen from an old stallion once a year for an overseas customer. The first time we collected the vet explained that it took a few months of work for the horse to learn to mount the breeding dummy. They would tease the stallion with mares that were in heat and placed in front of the breeding dummy. This was being explained to me in the breeding shed holding the horse who got aroused just looking at the breeding dummy and mounted it without any teasing or toys. It was quite funny to see the vets scrambling to load an AV (artificial vagina) and the stallion with a look of calm on his face knowing the breeding dummy would not kick or bite back. This particular stallion had a very strong libido but very weak semen due to having a previous STD and being kicked in the scrotum as a younger horse by an old cantankerous broodmare and it would take eight collections to retrieve enough semen for one LFG (live foal guarantee) cover.