To: Snowshoe who wrote (58863 ) 1/12/2005 5:51:52 PM From: Maurice Winn Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 74559 Snow, as damn good achievements go, I was a little excited, but then read it and was, as usual, disappointed. The statue was quite good, but any number of such statues have been made. The star chart and precession observation aren't that exciting. All it involved was looking at the sky and keeping track of what things did. That would take some patience, but no great intelligence. Sure, there's some cheating these days in that the amazing creations of the 21st century involve hundreds or even thousands of high IQ people working together to achieve something and the average Roman Chariot designer had maybe 1 or 2 helpers who were passably bright. There are 6 billion people on the go right now, compared with a few hundred million during the last couple of thousand years, who were mostly messing around chasing food or digging dirt to grow crops, if not fighting each other or otherwise getting by in a nasty, brutish and usually short lifestyle. Those 6 billion have a much higher average IQ than even a century ago, which is called the Flynn Effect. I think much higher again than 2000 years ago. AND they have got no shortage of food, for the most part, and if they have, charities swoop in with tons of rations. So they can put their creative energies into all sorts of stuff. AND they have got all sorts of tools to help the creative process, such as calculators, computers, clocks, [atomic if necessary], theoretical foundations, mathematical tools, Google to inform, cyberspace to communicate. It's a staggering panoply of wealth to make more wealth. So it's not surprising things are getting better at a phenomenal rate, and the process is accelerating. This is very weird and leading to something. We don't know where we're going, but we're on our way. I predict a new life-form. An extra-somatic intelligence. No DNA or olde-style wet biological chemistry. Got any more olde guys? Bring 'em on! Mqurice