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To: Road Walker who wrote (214765)	1/12/2005 7:12:58 PM
From: Jim McMannis	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1574093

Republican to Lead Immigration Revolt Against Bush Wed Jan 12, 2:56 PM ET Politics - Reuters By Alan Elsner WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A Republican member of the House of Representatives vowed on Wednesday to lead a revolt against President Bush (news - web sites)'s immigration reform proposals and predicted that up to 180 party members would support him. Bush in an interview with the Washington Times published on Wednesday said he plans to force a debate in Congress this year on his proposal that would allow some illegal immigrants to obtain legal work permits in the United States. Colorado Rep. Tom Tancredo, who heads the House Immigration Reform Caucus, said he was determined to block the legislation. The caucus, which had 71 members in the last Congress, argues for stronger action to stop illegal immigration and a reduction of legal migration. "Why is this so important to the president?" Tancredo said. "Is it just the corporate interests who benefit from cheap labor? Do they have such a strong grip on our president so that he is actually willing to put our nation at risk, because open borders do put our nation at risk? "Is it petulance, because we were able to stop it in the last Congress? Why is it so important to give amnesty to people who have broken the law?" Tancredo said. "I'm willing to lead a fight against this and I would say there are at least 180 members of our Republican caucus who are willing at least to stop amnesty for illegal immigrants," he told Reuters in a telephone interview. Bush has repeatedly said he views immigration reform as an important issue for his second term. In the Washington Times interview, he said it was near the top of his agenda. "Look, whether or not you agree with the solution or not, we have a problem in America when you've got 8 million undocumented workers here," he said. BUSH CONFIDENCE Bush expressed confidence he could win over opponents, as he did in passing tax reform during his first term. "Initially out of the box, some people said, over my dead body would they pass tax relief ... If I listened to all that, I'd just quit, you know. But that's not the way I think." But analysts agree that immigration reform could be much more divisive for Republicans since growing numbers of rank-and-file voters are becoming concerned at the continued influx of illegal immigrants across the Mexican border. "No issue, not one, threatens to do more damage to the Republican coalition than immigration," said David Frum, a former White House speech writer in Bush's first term. "There's no issue where the beliefs and interests of the party rank-and-file diverge more radically from the beliefs and interests of the party's leaders," he wrote in the National Review last month. Bush insists he is not offering amnesty to illegal immigrants but Tancredo said that was a "manipulation of language, the kind of thing (former President) Bill Clinton (news - web sites) would have done. There is an issue of integrity here and an issue of honesty," he said.

To: Road Walker who wrote (214765)	1/12/2005 8:49:27 PM
From: i-node	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1574093

Sure it has. That's the significant variable. You saying it doesn't make it so. Unless you want to believe that our people "in poverty" are much more degenerate and irresponsible than the 44 countries that have lower infant mortality rates. Especially since the more "socialist countries" have much, much lower infant mortality rates. So which is it, is our system creating a degenerate and irresponsible low middle to lower class, or is our health system neglecting our low middle to lower class? The stats are clear. What's your answer? What stats? The only stats that are clear is that infant mortality rates are higher one place than the other. It simply is not determinative of the underlying reason. You may have had an introductory course in statistics at some point in your life (it isn't evident, if so, but nevertheless). If so, one of the things you would have learned is that correlation doesn't show causality. Absent some EVIDENCE to suggest that the higher infant mortality rate is CAUSED BY an inferior healthcare system (as opposed to other factors), you simply can't draw the conclusions you're trying to draw.