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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (156326)	1/15/2005 12:29:35 AM
From: GST	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

<It's all bullshit. Over the next generation, the Arab Mideast will democratize and join the rest of the planet, and this bullshit you have been lapping up from the Arabs will join Communism on the ash heap of history, because they themselves will have outgrown it. You'll probably be the last guy spouting it.> [from your response to Marcos] Hopefully you do not speak for Israel. Israelis want peace and so do the Palestinians. The time is now, and if not now, perhaps never.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (156326)	1/15/2005 1:28:55 AM
From: marcos	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Zionism too had its fascists, check out Jabotinsky's spiffy uniform [and spiffier quotes] - palestineremembered.com You seem to be complaining here that people watch Palestine more than, say, Upper Yemen or wherever, well yes i think that's natural, given that Palestine is called holy land by three of the world's major religions, it has always been a crossroads with multiple claims against it, the place is a culture clash just waiting to happen ..... take a lesson, next time you're looking for a land without a people, try very hard to find a land without a people who don't have a bunch of old temples either As for me advising palestinians the way i do you, i don't see the point in that, as there are none present, all there are here are rah-rah zionist types and neutrals ... but by all means, if you run into any indigenous, send them my way It is noted that you did not respond to the points in my post .... it's pretty clear why not, too - you have no answer to the fact that without radical zionism there would have been no war in 1948, or in 1956, or '67, or '73, no riots in the early 20s or mid-30s either .... no massive inflows of jewish immigration threatening the indigenous, so no violent reaction against foreigners, so no problem You sprang a What If question on me earlier, alright, here's one for you - What if zionists had grabbed a clue and treated the british who were policing the mandate with a little consideration, what if they had realised that they had a protector already, and that a little discretion on their part in re smuggling massive numbers of immigrants and arms would have gone a long way, perhaps with good luck and good management being able to avoid threatening the indigenous quite so much and quite so fast, doing what they could to keep down british costs and casualties so that they'd stay around, and maybe end up with a functioning society as a full member of the Commonwealth a few years down the road, meantime avoiding the wars of '48, '56, '67, '73, and a whole lot of other unnecessary crap between? Or, alternatively, what if they'd just gotten smart and taken instead the offer of Uganda, where the blacks would have been much easier to subjugate or remove, and there's not so many old temples and bones of ancestors that people get upset about? ..... it's bigger, you know, lots more land to grab there ... well, you can answer one or both, if you like, or none at all, maybe just rant on about 'lapping up from the Arabs' and 'bullshit' and 'spouting', and avoiding any points at all .... cheers