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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (156336)	1/15/2005 4:11:31 PM
From: marcos	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

You don't get much more fascist than the idea that one people should cross the sea and take the lands of another, subjecting them to a Whackenstaat based on a religion hostile to their own .... there was a full spectrum of opinion, from pacifist through moderate to absolute totalitarian, on both jewish and arab sides, so to paint one side only with the fascist brush is wrong ... certainly there were fascist elements on both sides, so if you'd like to apply the term equally, that will pass, but it doesn't do much for your partisan argument, does it Palestine was not terra nulla, 'a land without a people', as apologists for the colonisation scheme would have us believe, and a great many quotes of early zionists prove that they knew damn well that it was not terra nulla ... Palestine has been arab muslim land for hundreds and hundreds of years And on that, zionist argument breaks down ... all the fine righteous rhetoric, gone, poof ... the right of conquest is no longer considered valid, sensibilities have changed, ethnic cleansing is now considered a war crime ... jews did suffer horribly in Europe, yes, it is also true that palestinians killed and robbed are no less dead, no less dispossessed, than any victim of the nazis What must be done is to address the root of the problem, tribal division based on religion ... this means - oh yes, absolutely - 'the destruction of Israel' as it exists today, a state in which Who Is A Jew is considered a question valid and relevant to law, a state under which a foreign jew has rights over a native arab, a state intentionally designed to favour a single cult in a land that multiple cults call holy ... this means a clean start of thinking, from an entirely secular human point of view, to build a society of which our species can be proud You'll need a new name, i'd recommend against Zion ... probably back to Palestine, the name goes back to the phoenicians if not before, and has been applied to the whole area since the romans .... you'll need the standard basic legislation against murder, theft, etc, and effective enforcement thereof ... it would in this case be wise to have a prohibition against incitement of hatred front and centre, imho .... but most importantly, you will have an absolute lack of fundamental unfairness in your law You want to reform the Middle East? - fine, then as your first step lead by example, take the Whacken out of the most recently conceived Whackenstaat