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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (214965)	1/15/2005 2:35:56 PM
From: Road Walker	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1573829

re: Bush wants to transform SS into a 401k-style plan, and that's where the liberal belly-aching starts. My first bitch is the cost. My second bitch is preserving the safety net (FWIW). Cost doesn't seem to be a problem to the "conservatives". And safety nets?... well they have theirs so who needs a safety net? John

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (214965)	1/15/2005 3:24:28 PM
From: RetiredNow	Respond to of 1573829

I agree with you completely. As I have stated before, there are two issues related to SS that are getting mixed together: 1) "fixing SS" so that it doesn't start running red ink 2) converting a socialist system into a market-oriented one Everyone on this thread is mixing the two, which is not a smart thing to do if you are against SS reform. If you are Bush, mixing the two is a VERY smart thing to do. He's using the crisis rhetoric to push wholesale replacement of the current system. Whenever I talk about the SS reform debate, I have tried to separate the two. My opinions as follows: 1) SS does need to be fixed. At a minimum, they should cut benefits. 2) I believe an ownership society is a more efficient and effective society, than a socialist society. History is littered with failed socialist states (Soviet Socialist Republic ring any bells?). I am still heartily for the gov't forcing people to save, but I think it is criminal to put the savings into a general account, instead of tagging a person's contributions to their own social security number.