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Pastimes : Let's Talk About Our Feelings!!! -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: cosmicforce who wrote (93917)	1/18/2005 3:40:41 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

"I'm sorry you don't get that. The two groups will never agree. That's all I pointed out. Science belongs to the first group. Better or worse are absolute terms that don't mean anything here. So if you think I'm better or worse than you on this matter, which also can't be instrumented." You are mistaken on several points. 1) I get what you are saying and it is fraught with flaw. You say the believers are totally about something internal and that no evidence of external measurement exists. Let's start with time then. Is time an external measurement? If you agree that it is then lets discuss its properties and its limitations or lack there of. ....are DIFFERENT than those who believe the room is too hot or cold, which can be measured by a thermometer. 2) Light is different than heat which is different than mass yet all have a baring on energy. Being different does not nullify one or the other of these entities. Believing in eternity does not nullify the measurable entities of the temporal. In fact there is irrefutable evidence that both are relevant to the truth of existence. "The two groups will never agree. That's all I pointed out. " 3) On this we agree since the idea of a limited view such as you hold is incompatable with the idea of an unlimited view. "Science belongs to the first group." Nope. Science belongs to those who hold no limits on what can be known and on what we can become. The ignorance and fear of the unknown belongs to the first (seeing is believing) group.