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To: RetiredNow who wrote (215437)1/19/2005 7:19:40 PM
From: Road Walker  Respond to of 1574043
 
re: Maybe, I am terrorized.

Certainly you are, judging from your posts.

re: But the more rational part of my mind tells me that when a group of people (who are EXTREMELY popular in their area of the world) have attacked your country, there needs to be consequences. Those consequences have to be in some way a greater response than the attack in the first place. Then other groups or nations that want to attack you will think twice. It's the law of the jungle.

The response has to be specifically directed to the people that attacked you. Not 100K+ innocent people that can easily be recruited to their cause. Basic logic.

re: Let me put it this way. How many people do you think will walk up to Mike Tyson and punch him in the face? Not many. Why? Because you can expect a beating that will probably put you in the hospital, if not kill you.

We are not "Mike Tyson" in Iraq. We have only proved that our vaulted military can't beat a ragtag insurgency. Our bite used to be considered worse than our bark. Now our bite is emasculated. The whole Muslim and Western world is watching us lose to a bunch of insurgants. What's left of the leverage of our threat?

re: With radicals and terrorists, you can't really get them to respect you. So the only thing you have left with which to influence them is force. We need to put the world on notice that when the U.S. is attacked, our response will be swift and VERY painful to those who attacked us as well as anyone who was remotely involved. It seems like a radical response, but it's amazing how respectful bully's will become of you, if you help them understand that you are not a pushover.

Iraq wasn't "remotely" involved. To the Arab world, it looks like Bush hegemony and power/oil grab against a Muslim country. Would you respond any differently if you were an Arab Muslim?

re: Look, I wish human nature wasn't the way it is. I wish we could spend more money on solving poverty, social security, and medicare, instead of hundreds of billions on the military. I wish it was possible for us to be neutral in the world's affairs, so we could focus on ourselves only. However, with great wealth and great freedom, comes great responsibility. In addition, that leads to inevitable envy and hatred among those groups who don't have what you have. Envy leads to those groups blaming you for all their problems. Some of their grievances may even be true, but many will be false. That is human nature.

If we were truly the first enlightened super power, the world would love us. But power corrupts. We're trying to reshape the world, and that has never been America's mission.

re: But at the end of the day, we need continue to put our enemies on notice that attacking the U.S. in any way will result in pain to the attackers many times that which was inflicted on us.

At the end of the day, we are judged by our actions, not by our rhetoric. That's why the world hates us. Iraq was a pathetically weak pain in the ass, but it didn't attack us, al Qaeda and bin Laden attacked us. They are thriving, Iraq is a total mess. That's the real story of the history of the world in the last 3 years. The US has alienated the world, they've become the bully of the world, they've become close to broke, they've divided their own country, they've killed 100,000 Iraqi civilians (mostly women and children) and killed or maimed 14,000 US soldiers. And we've created a new terrorist "breeding ground", and recruiting tool.

I don't see any upside. Explain to me how we've made progress.

John