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Pastimes : Let's Talk About Our Feelings!!! -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: average joe who wrote (94320)	1/21/2005 7:03:10 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Oh this should be good. All us non-Christians sitting around blabbing about Jesus... Oh well until Dithers get's back we might have some fun. Jesus did preach as Rand did to think for your self. His major push was to challenge the Pharasies (Religious scholars) of the day, when he preached 'be yee the living bible' (meaning to think about what is right and do it). This was in the context of some questions about caring your donkey on the sabbath (non-work day). "The bible says "I am not my brother's keeper in Genesis somewhere and I think Jesus agreed with the old testament." oops... I think that is a referrence to one of the first episodes of sinning against God after the Adam and Eve went tumbling down and broke their crowns or what ever it was. After Cain slew Abel in a hissy fit over the family inheritance, God asked Cain where his brother was. ... to which Abel smart mouthed God with his retort...

To: average joe who wrote (94320)	1/21/2005 11:22:34 PM
From: Grainne	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 108807

As Archbishop Desmond Tutu explained, When the missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said, "Let us pray." We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land. I think I have read EVERYTHING Rand ever wrote. As I have said before, for a young person just starting out, her ideas are energizing. With the wisdom of time and experience, though, I came to believe that her philosophy lacks compassion or very much reality of what life is like. It is not spiritual enough for me. I like Jesus'/Buddha's/Gandhi's/any humanitarian's ideas better than hers, and feel that they reflect me better. Jewel is right that a bunch of atheists discussing Jesus is not going very far, but I do think you are confusing the Old Testament with Jesus' beliefs. A bunch of men wanted to harness the power of Jesus for their own ends in the several-hundred year period after his death, and wrote whatever about him, without any regard for accuracy. What Jesus probably said is quite a small body of statements. From his life, we know that he surrounded himself with women, who were powerful and well respected in his circle, that he was not vengeful, that he had compassion for the poor and the sick, and not much else, really, do we know. The Essenes were probably vegetarians (they may have eaten fish). Jesus was a radical leftist. And perhaps a Buddhist--there is much in common between his philosophy and Buddhism, and many believe he traveled to India and lived there for awhile (or perhaps even China). The harsh, judgmental, narrow-minded, warmongering, homosexual hating, zealously patriotic views of much of the American rightwing have absolutely nothing in common with Jesus.