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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (156811)	1/22/2005 6:11:57 PM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

To sum up this running debate: History is disputed and mixed. You and Marcos will never share common ground. He refuses to accept the reality of Israels existance as a predominately Jewish state in a sea of arabs. I understand that he doesnt think zionism was right or fair but calling for Jewish suicide is not in the cards so we should not engage him any longer in that part of the debate. Palestinians are first beginning to understand how counterproductive the use of terror has been for their interests. The Israelis have given up any expanionist Greater Israel notions some their leaders may have harbored. The time has come to make peace. Abbas and Sharon seem like two men who understand the above and are willing to strike a deal after some preconditions are met. Hamas seems conflicted and the gaza branch may want to enter the political fray. Displaced settlers should take the deal offered. 1967 borders with changes based on reality giving neither side additional land should form the basis for a deal. Perhaps some sort of Hong Kong solution for Jerusalem where arabs gets control of the East as a capital after X years?? Symbolic right of return of a small group of Pals who actually owned land back then. Personally i cant believe a Pal state can be viable with an association with jordan and egypt of some type. Just some international political ideas thrown into what is becoming this tiresome moral/historical argument going on here. If we want to talk history why not pick another area of the world for a change. Mike

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (156811)	1/22/2005 6:36:22 PM
From: marcos	Respond to of 281500

I am a freakin north american indigenous .... [delivered in style of the classic Techniclone thread exchange, which went 'But what's the ticker?!!!!', 'ask your broker', 'I AM A FRIGGIN BROKER'] ... well i have a considerable portion of n.a.i. genes .... reservations, hey there's one not a mile away as the crow flies, and we have close friends there, some of them an excellent example of your dreaded 'multi-culti' themselves, raising their kids to be fluent in both spanish and english, with a good bit of the local indian dialect as well, father is indio mexicano, mother india canucka South african apologists for apartheid used to try to pull what you just did here, it was as futile as your effort ... there remain issues here sure, but they're matters for the courts ... you wish you had our problems My dates are 'bogus'? - not so, imho it is a fairly sure bet that Chivington could not have gotten away with the massacre in 1948, as for 'Herzl's heyday', he didn't even publish der Judenstaat until after Wounded Knee, and the real zionist surge of that period came well after the US had conquered the Filipinas and Cuba etc, which stimulated Mark Twain and a few millions others to oppose such slaughters ... change didn't happen overnight of course, but that was a watershed time, 1900-05 'Nor is there anything in the least bit unqiue about the "law of return"; entry and citizenship rules all over the globe privilege members of the nation over outsiders.' 'outsiders' my arse, palestinians are natives of the country .... and 'members of the nation', what a devious way to describe foreigners from Europe and Asia and Africa .... very cleverly put, but no cigar, lol - fact remains, that under the zionist state, imposed on a land that's been arab muslim for fourteen centuries, foreign jews have rights over native arabs.