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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (156820)	1/23/2005 12:49:26 AM
From: marcos	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Einstein didn't shut up about universalism, read those quotes, one is from 1946 and the other makes pretty clear it was post-1948 ... read other writings of his, and i think it's plain that he'd have opposed the ethnic cleansing and looting ... all the way through there have been jews opposed to zionism, on religious and/or pragmatic grounds and/or principle Very tricky again, trying to mix up 'Jewish homeland' with 'homeland for a Jewish nation' - they are not synonymous ... the Balfour declaration very carefully said homeland not nation or state, it also had a clause saying that natives were not to be harmed or robbed in the process, ahem Exclusivist tendencies have always caused jews to hold themselves apart from those around them, likely there were a few assimilating each generation but always some kept on separating themselves ... it may have been awareness of the problems inherent in this approach that led some to become the first internationalists, when nationalism came along in the early eighteen hundreds ... thinking of Marx and his followers, to whom socialism was a uniting force that was going to prevent war among other things, a lot of those people were jews, and that was likely no coincidence It's not your business what i ask arabs, i'm talking to you here, you keep posting all this demonisation of arabs at me, so i come back at you with the other side of the story that you'd prefer be hidden .... action, reaction, tit for tat, quid pro quo, one potato two potato ... people making trouble like this need a good whack upside the head, imho .... but not Einstein, he never did agree with the killing and looting