To: Bear Down who wrote (89518 ) 1/22/2005 11:41:23 PM From: Nazbuster Respond to of 122087 Bear, re: With 200 people watching it wouldnt make much sense to post something that could remotely be thought of as inside info. Exactly.... but don't waste the effort to say it again.. These people just can't accept that even if Tony did get inside information, everyone there would be totally unaware of that and were there to share information among themselves, not there to blindly follow some guru. Hell, even Hansen had no way to know what was going on; he was in Florida and Tony was in San Diego. Hansen had a thriving software business to run and a baby on the way and pretty much did his own thing on the site. What was he going to do the day Tony asked him to erase the logs? He was a paid vendor for Tony and could care less about the logs, but honored his client's request. It was an unfortunate act of bad judgement in hindsight, but at the time was of little relevance as far as I was concerned. If Tony was told something confidential, that was an error on the part of the FBI as far as I'm concerned. If he then announced it to the group, that again was bad judgment. For Hansen to have had the presence of mind at that instant to refuse to erase the logs would have been amazing considering nothing had happened other than a conversation up to that point. He has paid dearly for that moment in time. Personally, I resented having to pay to be in a chat site where it was the MEMBERs who made it valuable, not the leader, but I was unwilling to leave such a powerful group of people and great research, so paid my preferential (and for me affordable) rate as an original member. I'm also hoping justice is served, whatever the outcome, but think the charges are horribly distorted and exaggerated to the point of being prejudicial on their own compared to what really took place. It's hard to accept that Tony is is so much trouble for never having hired either Cleveland nor Royer nor having ever paid either a penny except for a couple hundred dollars of expense reimbursement to Royer for his travel expenses to Las Vegas for an interview. In fact, from what I've heard, Cleveland lost a bunch of Tony's cash trading an account Tony let him trade. I still challenge anyone to name ONE COMPANY that was "destroyed" by Tony's shorting or the shorting of his group rather than on the fundamentals and fraud of the firm itself. Seaview? What a joke. Nuclear Solutions? Look at their last 10Q... under $100 in cash and loads of debt. It didn't take a rocket scientist to know they were scams. Finding out afterwards that there were booger marks on the CEO's was just a bonus. Anyone care to name ONE COMPANY "destroyed" by Tony?