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Pastimes : Let's Talk About Our Feelings!!! -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Grainne who wrote (94405)	1/23/2005 1:28:40 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

I bet some people who have abortions would be insulted by someone else taking the remains and ritualizing the deaths, especially when the ritualizing is meant to denigrate the decision the women made. It's like those stickers in the science books, really. Me, I see nothing wrong with the stickers (just as there is nothing inherently wrong with burying things, people or tissue)- but the judge is right about the intent- the intent is to denigrate the theory of evolution, and the intent in taking other women's aborted fetuses is (partly) to denigrate the decisions of the women, and show society just how bad it is, because we have this human tissue, and isn't abortion terrible? Now I happen to think abortion is terrible in cases where fetuses are healthy. But I can still understand why someone else might want to have an abortion, because they aren't like me. And I can further understand why someone might want to have control over the tissue removed from their body, even if they don't think of it as a child, or even (and perhaps especially) if they do. Death rituals are supposed to be for the family, and if the family don't want one it seems to me very presumptuous, intrusively so, to take tissue, or bodies, and have ceremonies for unrelated dead. I would be very annoyed if someone took one of my relatives and had a church servive for them, since none of us are religious. It would be cruel to the dead person, if any consciousness survives after death, because none of us want that, and it would be very cruel to the living- because we know we are here, not much doubt about that, and we know what we want. If people must help others, they really ought to help people who are living and who consent. When every living person who wants help has been satisfied, THEN they can start ministering to the dead who can neither assent nor refuse, and whose families could have had a ceremony had they desired one. JMO