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To: SilentZ who wrote (215752)	1/23/2005 12:00:46 PM
From: RetiredNow	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 1573857

She's entitled to her opinion, but her opinion is irrelevant to the discussion Alighieri and I were having. He was complaining because Bush said our long term goal is the eradication of tyranny, yet we make short term alliances that seem counter to that goal. What I was pointing out to him is that it is not a contradiction. It is what we all do in life, corporate and otherwise. We set up a long term vision that represents the ideal. Then when faced with the practical realities, we take the best options available to us. So the path to the vision is never straight. To put all those details in a speech would be boring as hell. And I submit to the thread the following excerpts from JFK's 1961 inaugural speech (http://www.jfklibrary.org/j012061.htm): " We observe today not a victory of party but a celebration of freedom--symbolizing an end as well as a beginning--signifying renewal as well as change. For I have sworn before you and Almighty God the same solemn oath our forbears prescribed nearly a century and three-quarters ago." mindmeld's sarcastic editorial: WOAH did a Democrat just mention God? How dare he! "And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought are still at issue around the globe--the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of God." mindmeld's sarcastic editorial: Oh my goodness! He mentioned God again! Who is this Democrat? " Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty." mindmeld's sarcastic editorial: Holy COW! Now JFK is starting to sound a lot like Bush Jr. He's actually advocating that we do all in power to spread liberty. But JFK was a Democrat. How is this possible? I though Democrats were against war? "To those people in the huts and villages of half the globe struggling to break the bonds of mass misery, we pledge our best efforts to help them help themselves, for whatever period is required--not because the communists may be doing it, not because we seek their votes, but because it is right." mindmeld's sarcastic editorial: There he goes again, advocating our support of people struggling for their own freedom. This guy JFK sound alot like Bush. "Finally, whether you are citizens of America or citizens of the world, ask of us here the same high standards of strength and sacrifice which we ask of you. With a good conscience our only sure reward, with history the final judge of our deeds, let us go forth to lead the land we love, asking His blessing and His help, but knowing that here on earth God's work must truly be our own." mindmeld's sarcastic editorial: My gosh, he ended the speech with an invocation of God yet again. What a bad president JFK was, mingling Church and State. All you folks who claim the crown of the liberal left, what JFK would say to you is that you've lost your way. You've embraced ideals that come from a corrupt Hollywood America. In doing that, you've lost the mandate Democrats once had to represent what was good in America and worthy of fighting for: charity, family values, and the fight for liberty. Instead, the Republicans of today more clearly grasp what the roots of America is all about. They grasp that the U.S. is a Christian nation that is sick of having gay issues shoved in our faces, abortion curtailing the lives of millions of babies, and the false concern the liberal left shows for the lives of the people of other nations, exposed by their patent unwillingness to fight for those lives when they are put to the test. You say, that Republicans "don't get it". What's clear is that it's you who don't get it. You are in the minority in this country and for good reason.

To: SilentZ who wrote (215752)	1/23/2005 6:11:17 PM
From: Alighieri	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1573857

One of the articles posted last night indicated that Peggy Noonan, who was an extremely prominent speechwriter for Reagan, was very exasperated with Bush's inauguration speech. Does that mean that she's devoid of strategic thinking and doesn't know how to give inspiring speeches? At best it's a rationalization of his failed policy in Iraq, shifting from one reason to another, from no nation building before his first election, to WMDs and now, alas, nation building. At worst it's a harbinger of things to come...i fear the latter. Al