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To: RetiredNow who wrote (215789)	1/23/2005 3:38:59 PM
From: RetiredNow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1573500

Zarqawi himself tells us that the terrorists are fighting against Democracy. If we turn tail and run, then we are announcing to all the terrorists in the world that we are not willing to fight for Democracy. Spain already said it loud and clear: "attack us and we'll vote for the candidate that is for appeasement". We can't afford to do the same. --------------------------- Purported al-Zarqawi tape: Democracy a lie Sunday, January 23, 2005 Posted: 1:46 PM EST (1846 GMT) (CNN) -- An Internet recording claiming to be from wanted terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi condemned democracy as "the big American lie" on Sunday and said participants in Iraq's January 30 election are enemies of Islam. The authenticity of the message could not immediately be confirmed by CNN. "We have declared a bitter war against democracy and all those who seek to enact it," said the speaker in the 35-minute message. "Democracy is also based on the right to choose your religion," he said, and that is "against the rule of God." The message was posted on two Islamist Web sites that have carried previous messages thought to be from al-Zarqawi. Al-Zarqawi heads an insurgent group believed responsible for numerous car bombings and beheadings throughout Iraq. Al-Zarqawi recently renamed his group from Unification and Jihad to al Qaeda in Iraq. The United States has placed $25 million bounties on al-Zarqawi and Osama bin Laden, whose recent taped messages have endorsed al-Zarqawi's acts of terrorism. (Full story) The speaker attacked the Iraqi interim government as a tool used by the "Americans to promote this lie that is called democracy ... You have to be careful of the enemy's plots that involve applying democracy in your country and confront these plots, because they only want to do so to ... give the rejectionists the rule of Iraq. And after fighting the Baathists ... and the Sunnis, they will spread their insidious beliefs, and Baghdad and all the Sunni areas will become Shiite. Even now, the signs of infidelity and polytheism are on the rise." The speaker said that 4 million Iranians had entered Iraq to vote in the coming elections. "Oh, people of Iraq, where is your honor?" he asked. "Have you accepted oppression of the crusader harlots ... and the rejectionist pigs?" "For all these issues, we declared war against, and whoever helps promote this and all those candidates, as well as the voters, are also part of this, and are considered enemies of God," the tape said. On Friday, a video posted on an Islamist Web site showed two Iraqis apparently being beheaded on a city sidewalk. In the past, the Web site has shown video verified as having been produced by a group led by al-Zarqawi. CNN could not confirm the authenticity of the video. In the 10-minute video, the two men tell their kidnappers that they drove truckloads of food and supplies to a U.S. base in the central Iraqi town of Ramadi.

To: RetiredNow who wrote (215789)	1/23/2005 5:15:15 PM
From: SilentZ	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1573500

>This nation is obsessed with the morals promulgated by Hollywood, which is to say, there are no morals. Are you shitting me? You're blaming Hollywood for Abu Ghraib? Is gay marriage responsible for the "fall of an empire?" >It's no wonder they thought it was funny to humiliate those Iraqis and they took pictures and videos of it all as if it was some grand day on the beach. Oh come on... this crap happened in Vietnam, too. >It was lack of a moral foundation that made for soldiers willing to take orders that they should have known were fundamentally against anything Christians would have taught. WHAT? There are plenty of Christians who condone Abu Ghrainb. There are plenty of non-Christians that do, as well. Don't bring religion into this. The Roman empire didn't fall until it became Christian... does that have anything to do with anything? Probably not. -Z

To: RetiredNow who wrote (215789)	1/24/2005 3:04:12 AM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1573500

I agree with you on one very significant point. To quote you: "we have lost the moral leadership". We sure have. Moral leadership begins with the people. As soon as we started to promote a culture of personal choice for everyone, including glorifying deviant behavior, that is when we started to lose our moral authority. This nation is obsessed with the morals promulgated by Hollywood, which is to say, there are no morals. We are losing our leadership under Bush, the president you see as the leader of the resurgent morality in this country. Its a joke.......we are either feared and/or hated by a good percentage of the world. Relations with our long term allies have sunk to a new low and even new bought allies are abandoning us. We are enmeshed in a war where we are losing badly. And yet you talk about the moral decay of the left. You remind me of Nero with his fiddle. ted