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To: Oeconomicus who wrote (94426)	1/23/2005 8:23:36 PM
From: redfish	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

"And it seems to me that the parent's failure to give it to them - in fact to dispose of them as if garbage - indicates they don't really give a damn what happens to the remains." Have you examined the various state statutes to determine that a parent has any say in how the remains are disposed of? Can the father of the fetus, who escorted the mother to the abortion clinic, ask "Say, after you're done with the D & C, would it be alright if I took the remains away with me for burial? You could put them in one of those ziplock bags for me, okay?" Unless the parents have the right to request that, then I don't see how anybody else has any business getting involved.

To: Oeconomicus who wrote (94426)	1/23/2005 8:47:35 PM
From: epicure	Respond to of 108807

No. I don't get interfering in other people's lives, especially pushing religion on other people. I'll never get that. I happen to think there is very little more twitlike then pushing religion, and especially pushing it in sneaky ways- like stealing other people's tissue. If other people want to treat their fetuses like garbage, don't they have the right to do that? Or is there an inherent right to interfere in how other people bury, or don't bury people, or tissue? I can't imagine they have a legal right to this tissue. You obviously are more positive about the folks sneaking away the fetuses and burying them, and you apparently don't have a problem with the PR fest that will be going on. I don't see how you can't see that as denigration of other people's decisions to have abortions (just what exactly do you think these people are vigiling for?). But you don't. So we'll disagree on that. I do not think you can minister to someone else's dead when the other people involved are not willing to minister to the dead because they do not AGREE with the ministration. I do not know how you manage to finesse this in your mind- but belief does not give you carte blanche to be a busy body, no matter how noble your busybodyness seems to you. Your opinions allow very invasive behavior by the religious- luckily it's probably against the law for people to appropriate the relatives of the non-religious and hold a "ministration" because the family is "unwilling" to. Thank goodness. I guess your posts just always seem like your nerves are on fire. With posts like that, who can ever tell? But your posts seem perpetually in a state of pissyness. Have a nice long rant about this post :-) No doubt you will find much to post pissily about.

To: Oeconomicus who wrote (94426)	1/23/2005 9:13:35 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

" This may come as a shock to you, but some people actually do care about the lives - and yes, even souls - of other people." It would probably be much better if they made the lives of living children better, rather than spending their time stealing the dead bodies of other people's children. I don't see the point in doing what they are doing. If every living child (and adult, for that matter) who needed aid and assistance was being helped, yeah, I guess we could start fighting over who gets to grab the corpses, and have ceremonies for them (of course there are some intervening legalities here, and I still think you need permission to grab the remains from someone else- if you WANT to treat the remains like garbage, I think you ought to have that right), but until then, let's let the bodies be disposed of legally, and the way they are supposed to be disposed of.