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To: redfish who wrote (94432)	1/23/2005 8:58:55 PM
From: epicure	Respond to of 108807

yup I hope someone sues. That would put a chill on stealing other people's tissues. If I had a leg amputated I'd be annoyed as heck if some religious person stole my leg and had a service over it. Let them use their own tissues, stealing other people's just seems totally creepy. I know they think they have a right to them, a la Mr. Buschman's theory that you get to minister whenever someone else isn't doing the job, but that just doesn't seem consistent with law. If the women agreed to give the church their remains to vigil over that would be one thing, but taking them without an agreement, I don't think so. Heck, you can't take and use someone's picture without a contract, much less filch body parts and tissue.

To: redfish who wrote (94432)	1/23/2005 9:19:56 PM
From: epicure	Respond to of 108807

The reason they did it quietly in the past was because they would have been stopped earlier (since what they are doing clearly is illegal) if they had been more newsy about the whole thing. At least they are honest about the reason they did not publicize their works, and when the law suit comes, there will be proof they knew what they were doing was wrong, at least in terms of the law of the US :-) I wonder if the case is already being prepared? See bolded: Parish to bury ashes of fetuses Vigil to mark Roe vs. Wade By Eric Gorski Denver Post Staff Writer To lament the upcoming 32nd anniversary of the Roe vs. Wade abortion decision, a Roman Catholic parish in Boulder says it plans to bury the cremated remains of hundreds of aborted fetuses, most of which came from a prominent local abortion clinic without the clinic's knowledge, according to interviews with the parties involved. The parish received the ashes in boxes from Crist Mortuary in Boulder, which picks up fetal remains from the Boulder Abortion Clinic and cremates them for no charge "as a community service," said Michael Greenwood, the mortuary's general manager. He said there is no contract. The owner of the business, disturbed by what he found in the shipments, has been quietly passing the remains along to the parish since 2001, and also did so from 1996 to 1998 when he worked at another Boulder County mortuary, said Susan LaVelle, former Respect Life coordinator at Sacred Heart of Mary parish in Boulder. At 7 p.m. Friday, the parish, at 6739 South Boulder Road, will stage a candlelight vigil for the anniversary of Roe vs. Wade, the 1973 Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion. After 9 a.m. Mass on Sunday, the ashes are to be buried in the church cemetery at a "Memorial Wall for the Unborn." LaVelle said the remains of between 600 and 1,000 fetuses from abortions conducted between November 2003 and November 2004 would be laid to rest. The church has staged similar burials twice a year since 2001, but LaVelle said organizers have been hesitant to publicize them because the parish's arrangement with the mortuary was unknown to the abortion clinic and almost certainly would be halted once it came to light. "Abortion can be a real controversial issue, but in my eyes and the eyes of people doing this in our church, we believe these babies deserve the dignity of a proper burial," LaVelle said. "We decided this time, there are a lot of hurting people, there are people that need a place to go and mourn, and this was probably the time to take it to the news media." The clinic is directed by Dr. Warren Hern, a frequent target of abortion protesters and one of the few U.S. doctors who conduct third-trimester abortions. Reached on Wednesday night and told of the deal between the mortuary and the parish, Hern said it was the first he'd heard of it. "What?" he said. "This is very baffling. This is really quite bizarre ... We have private arrangements with certain institutions that deal with the tissue from my office - but that's not something we discuss." Hern is the author of "Abortion Services," the principal textbook on abortion for doctors in the U.S. and a number of other countries. His practice, established in 1973, specializes in "late abortion for fetal disorders," according to the clinic website. Hern has worn a bulletproof vest at some public appearances and has worked behind bulletproof windows since someone fired five shots at the office in 1988. In the mid-1990s, Hern appeared on a list of a "deadly dozen" doctors by the American Coalition of Life Activists, a collection of anti-abortion groups with a post-office box in Virginia. "There's been no interruption of the harassment," Hern said Wednesday. "And I consider this press release (announcing the parish events) harassment." Sergio Gutierrez, a spokesman for the Denver archdiocese, said he heard of the parish's plans only Wednesday afternoon and didn't know the details or the history. "It seems the parish is looking to honor the dignity of every human life, even in death, and to respect that life and honor them," he said. It wasn't clear whether the parish had been communicating with the archdiocese about how it had been receiving the remains and burying them going back several years. There was no intent by the mortuary to make a political statement by taking fetal remains from a clinic of a doctor who champions abortion rights and giving them to a church fighting to halt legal abortion, said Greenwood, the mortuary general manager. "The ashes needed to be placed somewhere, and they have a place and they're willing to take them into their cemetery," he said. Staff writer Eric Gorski can be reached at 303-820-1698 or egorski@denverpost.com.