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To: neolib who wrote (96719)	1/25/2005 12:16:58 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793698

I find people trying to deny that the groups are "really different". I have no problem admitting groups are different. Perhaps it would help the discussion if you identified some ways in which racial groups are meaningfully different. The history of race, religion, or group problems in general is a failure of one group to extend moral treatment to other groups. This is the issue you should attack. Seems to me that the most direct way to deal with this is to not imagine differences where there are no differences. Then whatever differences actually exist will be fewer or none, which obviates the excuse for worse treatment.

To: neolib who wrote (96719)	1/25/2005 12:26:46 PM
From: Mary Cluney	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793698

I see the issue not with the classification, but rather with the "cause more trouble". Deal with why a classification leads to trouble. That is the root issue. My issue with race as a classification is more basic. It is the definition of race that is not precise and all the assumptions that are made based on the imprecise nature of the definition. I have no trouble with trying to find out what the truth is. If you can scientifically find out if one race is more intelligent than another - I wouldn't have any trouble with it. But when you can't define intelligence, and you design some (relative speaking) simple test for it, and then test according to race - which you can't define - and based on those results people make a lot more assumptions on it and even try to make policy based on it - I have a problem with it. This also goes for gender differential in relatively narrow definitions of areas of study (eg mathematics and science - but not in medicine and law). Poor definitions or classifications leading to false assumptions and that which leads to bad policy or bad behavior.