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To: KLP who wrote (156926)	1/25/2005 12:08:51 PM
From: michael97123	Respond to of 281500

Whether we find something or not is surely debatable. Important things to note are: 1. Gulf War and subsequent regimen largely removed his ability to be a player. 2. When we attacked, we were using the best worst intel available at the time as was the UN and France. In short everyone fell for it, perhaps even saddam who may have been fooled by his own scientists. 3. Going forward without the war and ultimately without enforceable sanctions, and with saddam, sleazy and queazy firmly in power, you can bet the farm that they would have tried to reconstitue their wmds programs. So finding wmds really doesnt matter as much as pro war folks think it does although the intel screw up does and is great cause of embarrasment.

To: KLP who wrote (156926)	1/25/2005 2:42:19 PM
From: cnyndwllr	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

KLP, re: "Whatever, Bilow. I keep visualizing CA, the WHOLE State of California....and thinking....now, could there be buried in that entire state anything that perhaps shouldn't be there? Now visualize a huge American reward for information concerning the "missing WMDs," visualize all of those scientists held in our hands and being "encouraged" to come clean, visualize all of those people who would have to have been involved in storing, transporting, burying and creating those "missing" wmds, visualize all of the bureaucratic tracks that would have been left. Are you able to do that? Now tell me why, after spending two years and a billion dollars, we don't have ANY evidence of the existence of stockpiles, big or little, of wmd? Do you think they buried all of the people who would have had a part in the "disappearance?" Do you think they buried all of the paper trail, all of the trace evidence that would have remained in storage areas; everything buried? I guess my point is that it's far too simple to take an instant in time and think that they could have magically disappeared "buried in a place the size of California" without leaving any signs of their "before buried" existence or their "after buried" evidence. But maybe magical thinking is valid. After all, a great many people continue to believe in the latest, greatest, "this [new event] will turn the corner" in the Iraqi disaster. Isn't there a "free election" coming up soon? And then a constitutional assembly? And then another election? And didn't we already "turn over sovereignty?" And didn't we already capture Saddam and kill his kids? And didn't we "liberate" Iraq? And haven't we "given them freedom?" Yes, I can understand that some people can believe that the "missing wmds" magically disappeared. Ed