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Pastimes : Let's Talk About Our Feelings!!! -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Grainne who wrote (94714)	1/25/2005 4:32:10 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

My goodness what an awful retort. So much rage over so many poorly concluded and concocted points ... "There is no absolute need for humans to eat other creatures, even though other creatures eat each other. How illogical and cruel it is for you to assert what you do. NEVER have I asserted that there was an absolute need for humans to eat other animals... having been a strict vegetarian for many years... my how you do go off the deep end when someone questions your logic. "Sea lions are about as intelligent as dogs, and remember tricks for several months after they have learned them. If you want to continue to assert that very bright mammals derive no pleasure from cuddling, or call that anthropomorphic, of course you can do so, but I believe you are incorrect. NEVER did I assert that animals derive no pleasure from cuddling. What is wrong with you woman? wow btw have you ever put little ribbons in your cats fur or a bandana around your dog's neck because he's a hippy dog? Oh yeah and tell Rambi hello for me ... she's got an ancient ax she needs to bury and a well known history of running interferrence for ionesco ... so much dishonesty so little space tsk tsk ... btw you're sitting in a transparent glass bubble not behind lead walls.

To: Grainne who wrote (94714)	1/25/2005 4:40:25 PM
From: average joe	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

"Mounting evidence suggests that animals feel a wide array of humanlike emotions, from happiness, sadness and anger to perhaps even love and embarrassment." Are you including X in that assessment?

To: Grainne who wrote (94714)	1/25/2005 5:00:44 PM
From: one_less	Respond to of 108807

"I am tired of reading. And it is my thread, so you have a big problem. have you never heard the old saying? She who spreads tacks on the ground, shouldn't go barefoot; while he who speaks the truth, must always keep one foot on the peddle.

To: Grainne who wrote (94714)	1/25/2005 5:23:28 PM
From: one_less	Respond to of 108807

"I have never made any pretense of being anything else, and am not at all dishonest," Have you never heard the old saying: She who sacrifices her conscience kills the phoenix to obtain its ashes.

To: Grainne who wrote (94714)	1/25/2005 10:59:51 PM
From: J. C. Dithers	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 108807

g, you may know that i injured my arm and it very difficult for me to write. i'll be fine but it will take weeks. i wish i could go on longer, but living together as a pack with our dogs, unusually so, has removed any doubt from my mind that animals can and do express a wide range of human feelings and emotions. we see it constantly -- joy, sadness, guilt, embarrassment, temper, sulking, etc., and of course unconditional love. we would love our dogs without these expressions and we have no stake in proving anything. yet it is there to see in so many unmistakable ways that it would be pure denial of what we see with our own eyes to think otherwise. i'm glad that more scientists are recognizing this. i just wanted to make this point, but i will not be posting for quite a while. in case other posters read this, i want to thank them for their good wishes. jc