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To: michael97123 who wrote (156951)	1/25/2005 4:50:59 PM
From: GST	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

It is a matter of principle, and if not, then it becomes a matter of expedience, as it is so often around the world. What separates us from those we would seek to lead is our principles -- if you don't have them then you are not leading, you are merely killing and hoping to dominate -- which is precisely the approach taken by people like Saddam. Keep him company in hell if you like. But don't ask America to renounce its principles.

To: michael97123 who wrote (156951)	1/25/2005 4:53:25 PM
From: cnyndwllr	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Mike, re: If i had a terrorist in my hands and he knew where a nuke was, you better believe i would cut his balls off if i had to. Call me a barbarian but i would be saving the life of your family in such a scenario. Now having said that, i think torture is worthless and unnecessary 99.9% of the time. Good for you Mike. Would you rape his daughter in front of him if that's what it took to save the world? Would you decapitate his wife? Maybe you'd castrate his son too? Kill his dog? Where would you draw the line, or would you draw a line? Whoa, I just had a thought. What if you were wrong and he wasn't a terrorist at all? I guess that wouldn't matter because, after all, your motives were pure. But what if he told you lies in order to save himself? Could he be that smart? I guess some people don't understand the sacrifices torturers make for the common good. Maybe that's why the experts say the process is inefficient, misleading and a waste of time. Of course they get confused with reality and forget the lessons we learn watching television. Get a grip. Ed