To: Snowshoe who wrote (59448 ) 1/26/2005 2:32:01 AM From: Taikun Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 74559 Snow, <To consider this further I'd have to see a direct, detailed cause and effect statement by a reputable group of scientists specifically supporting the theory that the recent Sumatra quake was caused by global warming.> If you have read this story, apologies, but it needs repeating. Well, you could be waiting a long time. Let me tell you a little story about requests for double bind studies and statistically significant analyses so often requested by today's society. On the one hand, we request them, as we think we're minimizing risk, on the other hand, they deny us so much opportunity. Two years ago, after taking steroids long-term for a separate health issue, I was diagnosed with an irreversible, degenerative hip disease that, I was told, would require hip replacements for the rest of my life. I was told there is no cure for my disease. I sought to find out as much as possible and in the process came across this supplement, a tablet of herbs. I showed it to my orthopedic surgeon, the best in Seattle, who laughed and told me not to waste my money. After using it for a few weeks the bone strength was back and I discarded my crutches. Since then I have not had to use crutches again. The Xray shows clean-no disease. My doctor mumbled something about me getting lucky, and when I told him that the only thing I had done differently was to tale the supplement, he asked for the same thing you're asking for. Lets just say that as long as you put those conditions upon the information you receive, you'll never know what you don't know. as far as your request, of course you know it will not be fulfilled. I suppose that somehow creates a sense of satisfaction? Knowing that because something cannot be scientifically proven it must be untrue. Perhaps now that you have dismissed this knowledge, you will go on in a sense of false satisfaction that your world is secure because it is supported by direct cause and effect statements. Excuse me, but this is a discussion forum, not a court of law. I posted to stimulate discussion, not to have a trial by statistics. If you don't like the fact that your world may be disrupted by pieces of information that doesn't fit into neat little boxes, because it somehow makes life easier, do you wonder if you're open-minded enough to even assimilate that study or statistics even when you see it? For the last time, the information I posted was from NASA and NOAA (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Association). If you have a problem with their research it is not them who has the problem. NASA hmmm. Ever heard of them?? The text I posted: "As NASA, NOAA and other world science organizations continue to measure the oceans and atmosphere we can expect to see a clear link among solar irradiance, ENSO events, tides, plate tectonics, volcanism, global warming, ice advances, and other Earth cycles." Here:Message 20984436 I am not going to waste any more time on your closed-mindedness. <eom> -D