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To: one_less who wrote (157031)	1/26/2005 1:31:06 PM
From: michael97123	Respond to of 281500

"Even if I stand alone on the planet, I will continue to stand against human torture. I will not torture one human being even if it ment the entire population of human beings would die in the next moment. It aint the living longer on this world, its what we leave this world with ... for what if I gain the entire world but lose my eternal soul in so doing?" I respect that position, just as i respect the COs among us. Yours is the humanity of the future but we must get to that future in very difficult times, so those less pure like me and neocon will have to do this dirty work for you if only to keep good folks like you alive. I will leave it up to the big guy to judge me and if they have juries there, hopefully you will remember me fondly. mike

To: one_less who wrote (157031)	1/26/2005 1:37:49 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

So you will not inflict pain to preserve the world against wanton destruction? Not even a good beating, without maiming?

To: one_less who wrote (157031)	1/28/2005 4:45:03 AM
From: KLP	Respond to of 281500

You may want to see this HBO production: HBO movie 'Dirty War' may 'jar complacency' Hughes in Hollywood By Mike Hughes Lansing State Journal Published January 23, 2005 American audiences may find the movie "Dirty War" jolting. Still, that's mild compared with the British reaction. The movie, debuting Monday on HBO, shows the explosion of a "dirty" (high-radiation) bomb in London. The toll is enormous. "For the British viewers, it's a deeply uncomfortable film," said Dan Percival, who wrote and directed it. "It's happening in our back yard." And for Americans? Two former U.S. senators argue that we should spend more time thinking about it. "We are brilliant at responding to crisis," said Gary Hart, D- Colorado. "But we are awful at anticipating crisis and preventing it." Warren Rudman, R-New Hampshire, agreed. "There is a great deal of complacency," he said. "And this film is very realistic." They co-chaired the U.S. Commission on National Security in the 21st Century. On Jan. 31, 2001, it issued a report on possible domestic attacks. "No one paid attention to what were extraordinarily startling predictions - which, unfortunately, came true within nine months," Rudman said. He was referring to the Sept, 11 attack; a new one could be much worse, Hart said "Frankly, the scenario in this film is mild compared to what could happen." The movie, with British agents following reports that terrorists may be building high-radiation bombs, is made in a relatively quiet style. There are few of the thrills of the American "24" or the British "MI-5"; the terrorists and officials proceed calmly. Still, the movie makes its point: A high-radiation bomb could instantly contaminate more than 300,000 people and could leave two square miles of the financial district cordoned off for years; the long-range health effects would be enormous. "I make these films because I see a screaming need for it," said Percival, whose "Smallpox" film recently aired on cable's FX. Others echo that. "Maybe this film can jar some of the complacency," said Stephen Flynn, director of the Hart-Rudman task force. The problem is human nature, Hart said. The instinct is retaliation; it's offense, not defense. "There is not nearly the sense of urgency in preventing such an attack (as there was for) the war in Iraq," Hart said. Congress has poured billions into homeland security, Rudman argued, but hasn't used the money efficiently. "We have terribly underfunded for communications, for first responders, for training, for equipment, for the public health system," Local forces should be better equipped, he said. "How can we expect our policemen and our firemen and first-responders to go into a horribly contaminated situation without the communications and the protection that they need?" Entertainment editor Mike Hughes is in Pasadena, Calif., for the twice-yearly meeting of the Television Critics Association. lsj.com