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To: Neocon who wrote (157114)	1/26/2005 5:15:43 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

When you do invoke the right to self defense you had better be very sure your life was in danger. If a reasonable person would not have thought their life was in danger, you are in trouble. And you are liable for civil suits as well as criminal if you are wrong. Is the right of self defense something to be brought up in defense of the means justifying the ends when it comes to torture? Probably not. I said when you let the ends justify the means you can wind up in some ugly places- and if you read the case law on self defense, you will view some of those ugly places. In order to view ugly places travelled by those who think torture appropriate on the way to an end, view the records of any dictator-including Saddam, our friends in China, and our pals in the former USSR.