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To: aladin who wrote (97194)1/27/2005 4:15:09 PM
From: Lane3  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793731
 
As to the 'love of country' defense

I was going to elaborate on my acknowledgment of his love of country but I was reluctant to do so because I have no "links."

My initial reaction to Byrd all those years ago was disgust. But he kept getting re-elected and he kept getting in the news and, over time, I encountered a few singular positives. Unfortunately, my brain hasn't been able to retrieve even one of the--I'm notorious for filing the supporting detail in the deeply-buried archives--and I'm not about to read his biography to jog my memory.

Over the years there have been several incidents where I thought he demonstrated unusual class or statesmanship in difficult circumstances. I appreciate statesmanship, particularly since we see so little of it, so I came to look past my disgust to put him in the mixed-bag category. I concluded that he does very much love his country and appreciate its institutions. I believe that to be true. But I don't have the data to persuade anyone else. So take that FWIW, which I don't suppose is much.

I do think, though, that he's gotten dotty and should be in a rocking chair by now.



To: aladin who wrote (97194)1/27/2005 9:34:26 PM
From: KLP  Respond to of 793731
 
Has MSM EVER questioned Byrd as to why he has opposed the Civil Rights Act, Thurgood Marshall, Clarence Thomas, and now...Dr Condoleezza Rice? Perhaps they someday will get around to this missed opportunity....

yeah. right.

Robert Byrd
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Robert C. ByrdRobert Carlyle Byrd (born November 20, 1917) is a West Virginia Democrat serving in the United States Senate. As of 2004, he is the longest-serving member of the U.S. Congress, having served in the United States House of Representatives from January 1953 until he entered the Senate in 1959, while current Dean of the House John Dingell has only served since December 1955. At 87, Byrd is the oldest member of Congress.

Some consider Byrd to be a "walking encyclopedia" on the history of both the American and Roman senates. He has risen to national prominence as the oldest member of the Senate (after the retirement of Strom Thurmond) and recently as being a critic of the Bush Doctrine of pre-emptive war and the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq.

Byrd was born in North Wilkesboro, North Carolina in 1917. Byrd attended West Virginia public schools and was later a student at Beckley College, Concord College, Morris Harvey College, and Marshall College, all in West Virginia. He graduated from American University Law School in 1963.

Byrd was a local leader of the Ku Klux Klan for a period of time in the early 1940s, holding the title Kleagle; Klan recruiter. In a 1946 letter, he wrote, "The Klan is needed today as never before and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia." However, when running for Congress in 1952, he announced, "After about a year, I became disinterested, quit paying my dues, and dropped my membership in the organization. During the nine years that have followed, I have never been interested in the Klan." Still, in 1964 he opposed the Civil Rights Act and the nomination of Thurgood Marshall, a Democrat, to the United States Supreme Court in 1967. He is the only U.S. Senator to have opposed the nomination of both of the only two African-American Supreme Court justices - Thurgood Marshall and Clarence Thomas. He also lead the opposition to the nomination of Dr. Condoleezza Rice to the position of Secretary of State.

He was first elected to the Senate in 1958 and has held the position ever since. Byrd is currently the "Father of the Senate" - the Senator with the longest continuous service. As the longest-serving Democratic Senator, he has held the office of President Pro Tempore of the Senate three times, most recently from 2001-2003. He has served as a member of the Appropriations Committee since the 1950s and is chairman of the committee when the Democratic party is in the Senate majority.

Though he has become a staunch critic of the Iraq War, Byrd has taken conservative positions on several issues. He opposed President Clinton's efforts in 1993 to allow gays to serve in the military. Byrd opposes affirmative action and is only moderately pro-choice. In economic matters, Byrd is a populist. He opposes free trade and the tax cuts implemented by President George W. Bush. Byrd is also a reliable vote for preserving Social Security.

In 1965, the Robert C. Byrd Honors Scholarship Program was created by Congress as a federally funded, state-administered program. It awards $1500 per year to graduating high school seniors who continue on to higher education on the basis of academic merit.

In 1976 Byrd, at the time the Senate Majority Whip, announced that he would run for President as a "favorite son" candidate, only campaigning in his home state of West Virginia. Like many Democrats, Byrd thought that perhaps if the Convention were deadlocked, he could use his delegates to hold some influence in the selection of a nominee.

Every other Democrat but George Wallace stayed off the W.Va. ballot in deference to Byrd, and even Wallace didn't campaign in the state. Byrd won by a near 9-1 margin. However, he was never a serious candidate for the nomination, and Byrd had set his sights instead on the position of Senate Majority Leader, after the retirement of Mike Mansfield. Byrd focused most of his time on campaigning for the majority leader seat, more so than for re-election to the Senate, as he was unopposed for his fourth term. By the time the vote for majority leader was at hand, he had it so wrapped up that his lone rival, Minnesota's Hubert Humphrey, withdrew before the balloting took place.

Byrd has a cameo role as a Confederate general in the Warner Brothers film Gods and Generals (2003).



To: aladin who wrote (97194)1/28/2005 9:30:27 AM
From: Mary Cluney  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793731
 
To many of us it appears you have a double standard and give Byrd a lot of breaks. So the question is - Did you make the same allowances for Senators Lott or Thurmond?

I hope and think my views are uniquely my own. I don't know that much about Senator Lott. I think, since he is a Republican, I will disagree with a lot of his politics, but judging him from the little that I know about him, my sense is that he does not have a mean streak in him. I do not think he is a racist.

Strom Thurmond is a different bird. I don't know that much about him either, but from the little that I know about him, I don't like him very much. I don't think his views has changed much over the years.

Senator Byrd on the other hand, has views that have changed over the years - especially with regard to race. I saw the video where he used the term white nigger. I saw him using the term in the same way that blacks use the word nigger with respect to other blacks. I saw no malice.

As to the 'love of country' defense - David Duke loves his country

The difference here, I believe, is that Senator Byrd has a more pacifist (which I share) both in domestic and foreign policy visions for America. Senator Byrd's vision does not hurt anyone - black or white, foreign or domestic.