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To: carranza2 who wrote (97361)1/28/2005 3:26:17 PM
From: Lane3  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793752
 
I would support a draft. I don't like it, no one likes it, but there you are.

I suppose, if push came to shove, I would support a draft before I would lose a war for lack of troops. But having grudgingly said that...

Our forefathers consciously prescribed tools for the use of the people to protect ourselves from a government gone astray. It seems to me that in acceding to a draft we give up something we shouldn't. There's a principle at stake here. Not enlisting is a way we the people have of giving feedback to our government.

On the lighter side, instituting a draft would give this armchair wonk a lot of laughs. One of them would be the gay issue. Gay could become the new 4F...



To: carranza2 who wrote (97361)1/28/2005 9:31:38 PM
From: KLP  Respond to of 793752
 
Sidebar...Re troop levels of WW2 and other WW2 info...most interesting site.

census.gov

*Special Edition*
Dedication of National
World War II Memorial

The National World War II Memorial will be dedicated on May 29 in Washington, D.C. Located between the Lincoln Memorial and the Washington Monument, it will be the first national memorial dedicated to the men and women who served in the U.S. armed forces during World War II, including those who died in combat and the Americans who supported the war effort on the home front. This special edition of Facts for Features pays tribute to those who served our country in that war.

Proud to Serve
16.1 million
The number of U.S. armed forces personnel who served in World War II between Dec. 1, 1941, and Dec. 31, 1946.
See Table 523 at <http://www.census.gov/prod/www/statistical-abstract-03.html>

33 months
The average length of active-duty by U.S. military personnel during WWII.
See Table 523 at <http://www.census.gov/prod/www/statistical-abstract-03.html>

Serving Abroad …
73%
The proportion of U.S. military personnel who served abroad during WWII.
See Table 523 at <http://www.census.gov/prod/www/statistical-abstract-03.html>

16 months
The average time U.S. personnel served overseas during WWII.
See Table 523 at <http://www.census.gov/prod/www/statistical-abstract-03.html>

Supreme Sacrifice
292,000
The number of U.S. soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines killed in battle in WWII.
See Table 523 at <http://www.census.gov/prod/www/statistical-abstract-03.html>

114,000
The number of other deaths sustained by U.S. forces during WWII.
See Table 523 at <http://www.census.gov/prod/www/statistical-abstract-03.html>

And the Wounded:
671,000
The number of U.S. troops wounded during WWII.
See Table 523 at <http://www.census.gov/prod/www/statistical-abstract-03.html>

Veterans
5.7 million
The number of World War II veterans counted in Census 2000. The census identified the period of service for World War II veterans as September 1940 to July 1947.
<http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/census_2000/001120.html>

475,000
The estimated number of WWII veterans living in California in 2002, the most in any state. Other states with high numbers of WWII vets included Florida (439,000), New York (284,000), Pennsylvania (280,000), Texas (267,000) and Ohio (208,000).
See Table 529 at <http://www.census.gov/prod/www/statistical-abstract-03.html>

5.4%
The proportion of WWII veterans among the Clearwater, Fla., civilian population age 18 and over in 2000. Other large places (100,000 or more population) with high concentrations of WWII vets were: Cape Coral, Fla. (5.1 percent), Oceanside, Calif. (4.3 percent); and Scottsdale, Ariz.; Pueblo, Colo., Metairie, La., St. Petersburg, Fla.; Santa Rosa, Calif.; Mesa, Ariz.; and Independence, Mo. (all around 4 percent).
<http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/census_2000/001120.html>

210,000
The estimated number of women in 2002 who were WWII veterans. These women comprised 4.4 percent of WWII vets.
See Table 530 at <http://www.census.gov/prod/www/statistical-abstract-03.html>

22%
The proportion of all veterans in April 2000 who were WWII veterans.
<http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/census_2000/001120.html>

76.7 years old
The median age of WWII veterans four years ago when the last census was conducted.
<http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/census_2000/001120.html>

11.6%
The proportion of WWII veterans who were still employed in 2000.
<http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/census_2000/001120.html>

440,000
The number of WWII veterans in 2002 who received compensation for service-connected disabilities, about half the number in 1990 (876,000) and nearly two-thirds less than the nearly 1.2 million disabled WWII vets in 1980.
See Table 531 at <http://www.census.gov/prod/www/statistical-abstract-03.html>

$62 billion
The projected national expenditure for veteran’s benefits in 2004.
See Table 509 at <http://www.census.gov/prod/www/statistical-abstract-03.html>



From time to time, special editions of the U.S. Census Bureau’s Facts for Features are issued to commemorate anniversaries or observances or to provide background information for topics in the news. Below is a listing of previous such editions:


U.S. Armed Forces and Veterans (April 10, 2003)
Tax Time (April 11, 2003)
Louisiana Purchase Bicentennial (May 12, 2003)
Dialing for Dollars (Sept. 24, 2003)
First Flight Centennial (Dec. 3, 2003)
Social Security COLA (Dec. 11, 2003)
The 2004 Presidential Election (Jan. 6, 2004)
Brown v. Board of Education: 50th Anniversary
(Feb. 2, 2004)
Lewis & Clark Bicentennial (March 10, 2004)
50th Anniversary of ‘Wonderful World of Color’ TV
(March 11, 2004)
Cinco de Mayo (April 21, 2004)
Teacher Appreciation Week (April 22,2004)


Editor’s note: Some of the preceding data were collected in surveys and, therefore, are subject to sampling error. Questions or comments should be directed to the Census Bureau’s Public Information Office: telephone: (301) 763-3030; fax: (301) 457-3670; or e-mail: <pio@census.gov>.



To: carranza2 who wrote (97361)1/29/2005 11:25:44 AM
From: Sig  Respond to of 793752
 
..>>If Iraq was not part of the war on terror, or was improperly started on a premise that it was, is now unfortunately irrelevant. It is absolutely, positively now part of such a war. Al Zarqawi's participation in it and its Islamist aspects should be more than enough to convince any doubters--but I am realistic enough to know it won't.>>>

You make good point. There are always unbelievers.
Those who think the Administration or Israelis were connected to or caused 911. That OBL does not exist, that no one could hate us that much or that terrorism is caused by our own past transgressions. That Saddams followers were not as bad as they appeared.

Now we know that the terrorists were serious, that they truly hate America, that they are willing to kill UN workers or their own relatives with bombs and gunfire just to eliminate a US soldier.
That they would use any weapon, or break any rules of warfare.

And that it is fruitless to try to negotiate with the crazy ^&&**%ers.

It demonstrates that taking the war to the enemies doorstep by unilateral (when needed) action was the right choice rather than wait to fight them over here after they procure WMD's.

Sig