To: RetiredNow who wrote (216338 ) 1/29/2005 2:27:07 PM From: tejek Respond to of 1574264 Of course not. I know plenty of fat people, myself included, and I don't know a single one who will tell you they made the choice to be fat. But the truth is, I made the choice. If I exercised more and ate less fatty foods I'd be thin. The human mind has the incredible capacity to justify anything in an effort to feel blameless. Look.........you present yourself as being well informed on most subjects until we get to this issue. Gay is not the same at all as being overweight. Your choosing to be overweight is an issue of discipline [or the lack thereof] and reflects a need for indulgence.........and from what I understand, its not even a conscious decision. And by being overweight, you have lots of company in this country and are not precluded from participating in most socialization acts.........you can still get married, have kids, get to together wtih the extended family etc. Being gay is akin to being a part of a different species. You are excluded from many social events.......its very difficult to have children, to participate in family gatherings, to lead what's considered a normal lifestyle by most Americans.....and to top all that, you face all kinds of discrimination that is still considered socially acceptable in some circles in this country. My God, vigilantes crucified a guy in Wyoming. When is the last time you've seen a fat man crucified? I've said this before.......to suggest that gay people choose to be gay runs in the face of human logic. There are many gay people who consider being gay a horrific and unfair life sentence. They regularly conclude that their only alternative is to commit suicide. If they had a choice in the matter, do you think they would resort to suicide? Many gay people do not participate in life at all..........they are so shamed by their sexuality that they become complete loners. We all know some old man or woman who has never married......seemingly to never have participated in any acts of human intimacy. What in God's name do you think that's all about? We call them hermits or old maids........neither of which sounds very nice. Think about why they never participated in what are considered normal human activities. You say your kids are straight..........do you know how many parents have thought the same about their kids only to be shocked years later with the truth? Gay people are excellent actors and can fool even the most intuitive of parents. And gays come in all shapes and sizes........the most macho of guys and the feminine of women can be gay. I learned that in LA.....way too many attractive and acceptable actors....macho if male, feminine if female.......hide that aspect from their public. In fact, they have all kinds of assistants working to present a heterosexual image to the nation. I have had to deal with gay people in a number of capacities both as friends and colleagues. I would not wish that lifestyle on my worst enemy. It is fraught with a lot of pain and rejection. In my psyche class, some studies show that nearly 40% of the gay population is chemically dependent. I almost fell out of my chair when I heard that statistic. Therefore, your talk about gays choosing to be gay suggests that you need more info on the subject. ted