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To: epicure who wrote (95313)	1/30/2005 11:34:42 PM
From: cosmicforce	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

that I would not have believed possible. Uh, how long have you been posting on SI, newbie?!

To: epicure who wrote (95313)	1/31/2005 11:04:37 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

I understand what you're saying. It's just that you're wrong. Boudin and Gilbert became "former" WU members when the cell door clanged shut on them. I admit they were likely the last active members though. BTW, Gilbert seems not to have become "former" at all. He has written a book entilted No Surrender. He says he is a political prisoner. And describes himself and Boudin as "allied white revolutionaries" not Black Liberation Army members: .... "In response to the murderous government assault on the Black Liberation Movement and the unending, massive bombing of Vietnam, the Weather Underground formed in the early 1970's. I spent 10 years in underground resistance. On October 20, 1981, I was captured when a unit of the Black Liberation Army and allied white revolutionaries attempted to take funds from a Brinks truck, with the unfortunate result of a shoot-out in which a guard and two policemen were killed. .... prisonactivist.org More to follow on the "idealistic" Weather Underground.

To: epicure who wrote (95313)	1/31/2005 11:13:09 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Former WU member says the group would have bombed a dance at Ft Dix and the Columbia library but for the accidental town house explosion which killed three WU members - see the comments of Brian Flanagan below: Professor Klehr also took a dim view of the often stated account that after the town house explosion, the Weathermen resolved to take no lives, and that in the string of bombings that followed, no one was seriously injured. He points out that members have said the explosives at the town house were intended for an officers' dance at Fort Dix in New Jersey and for Butler Library at Columbia University. "The only reason they were not guilty of mass murder is mere incompetence," he said. "I don't know what sort of defense that is." ..... The film revived contacts among former members, Mr. Flanagan said, and prompted him and others to open up about the past in interviews and public forums. He said he recently met up with Ms. Wilkerson in the bar, which has become what he called "definitely a lefty bar." "There were a lot of things I had trouble coming to terms with over the years, and this has resurrected them," Mr. Flanagan said of the documentary which, he said, portrayed him as more rueful than he felt. "I was regretful over about 5 percent of what we did," he said. "I think 95 percent of what we did was great, and we'd do it again." And what was the 5 percent? The town house, Mr. Flanagan said. When pressed, he said he regretted both the deaths of the three Weathermen — Ted Gold, Diana Oughton and Terry Robbins — and the plan to bomb the dance at Fort Dix and the library at Columbia, which could have taken lives. thomasgalvin.blogspot.com/ 2004_08_23_thomasgalvin_archive.html How do you bomb a dance without killing people? So much for the harmless Weather Underground myth.

To: epicure who wrote (95313)	1/31/2005 11:18:38 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Weather Underground members under investigation in 30 year old murder cases: 30-Y.O. Unsolved SF Murders Reopen Part III: Survivor of Old Murder Case Speaks Out Posted: November 10, 2003 at 6:34 p.m. BAY AREA (KRON) -- The unsolved murder of two San Francisco police officers has languished as cold cases for 30 years until now. A federal grand jury has been looking into the murders. Many of the people now under investigation both as potential targets and witnesses in this case are scattered across the country. Many of them are now in their 50s and 60s. Investigators believe the crimes were politically motivated and committed by militant radical groups. On August 29, 1971, sergeant John Young is killed in a barrage of gunfire when two men walk into the Ingleside police station and begin shooting at officers sitting behind the glass partition. It is the second unsolved police killing in 18 months. On February 16, 1970, officer Brian McDonnell is killed when a bomb explodes at Park Police Station. Attorney Joe O'Sullivan, at the time was a young police officer. "It was just bedlam. I don't think we were able to get into the station. I think it was cordoned off. Nobody really knew the exact nature of the devastation," he says. For three decades, the police murders remained unsolved. Evidence from the two crime scenes sat in the police property room. KRON 4 News has learned that three years ago, San Francisco police secretly re-opened the case. Armed with new forensic technology and with State and Federal agencies helping, SFPD investigators began to work full-time on the murders. And now, sources tell us, those investigators have identified potential suspects: former members of two militant groups in the '60s and '70s -- the Weather Underground and the Black Liberation Army, people who've been out of the spotlight for decades. The most prominent among them is Bernadine Dohrn, a former leader of the Weather Underground and now a law professor at Northwestern University in Illinois. They started as the Weathermen during the latter half of the turbulent '60s. As they became more militant, they changed their name to the Weather Underground. It was a homegrown guerilla movement against the war in Vietnam and injustices at home. Its objective was to wage an armed struggle against the government. The Weather Underground battled police at anti-war rallies. Members even broke LSD guru Timothy Leary out of prison. They bombed at least two dozen buildings across the country, including the Capitol and the Pentagon. Their targets: military and government offices and police departments. In the early '70s, some of of the group led by Bernadine Dorhn escaped to the west coast. Dohrn was on the FBI's 10 Most Wanted list. J. Edgar Hoover called her "the most dangerous woman in America." For a time, according to law enforcement sources, Dohrn and her group lived in the Bay Area on a houseboat in Sausalito. Testimony before a federal grand jury in 1970 allegedly linked Dohrn to a February bombing attack of the Berkeley police department in which two officers were injured. And now, 30 years later, law enforcement sources tell KRON 4 News they believe Dohrn and members of the Weather Underground may have been responsible for the bombing of Park Police Station in San Francisco three days later, a bombing that killed officer Brian McDonnell. But police never had the evidence to prove it. Dohrn remained a fugitive until 1980, when she and her husband Bill Ayers turned themselves in. Dohrn, who pleaded guilty to battery and jumping bail, was fined and placed on probation. Last fall, according to law enforcement sources, San Francisco police turned over its evidence to the US attorney, who took over the investigation. The government quietly convened a federal grand jury which subpoenaed former members of not only the Weather Underground but the Black Panthers and the more militant Black Liberation Army, which investigators believe was responsible for the Ingleside shooting. "There have been to our knowledge 20 to 30 people contacted around the country," says San Francisco attorney Chuck Bourdon who represents one of those subpoenaed. "I put a call into the US attorney's office and was asked if my client would present fingerprints, palm prints and I told the US attorney I would be more than happy to comply with any lawful order from a grand jury if there were to be a subpoeana issued and there was one." And remember attorney Joe O'Sullivan, the former cop who was at Park station the day of the bombing? He's now ironically representing a former Black Panther who's also been subpoeanaed. "The federal prosecutor handling the case told me to my face he was going to indict my client for the murder of the San Francisco police officer at Park station. And our conversation ended when I said, 'prove it.'" (Copyright 2003, KRON 4. All rights reserved.)