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Politics : Israel to U.S. : Now Deal with Syria and Iran -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (6892)	1/31/2005 3:49:55 PM
From: hal jordan	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 22250

>>Protecting Jews and Judaism by colonizing Palestine is a ruse<< The only ruse here is your pretending to care about people while inciting hatred against Jews. Oh yea - lets sidestep racism and use the word Zionism...

To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (6892)	2/1/2005 4:21:35 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 22250

Re: Protecting Jews and Judaism by colonizing Palestine is a ruse... ...stemming from an outdated fantasy: remember that Theodor Herzl, the inventor of Zionism, was born in 1860...() he belongs to the XIXth century, the golden age of the nation-state. In the XIXth century, the notion of a "standalone" nation-state sheltering its citizens from outside threats made perfect sense... The XIXth century didn't witness world wars, nuclear bombs or international terrorism... The worst conflict so far was the US Civil War of 1861-65 (~650,000 casualties). Besides, Gypsies, although they don't enjoy a nation-state of their own, are not more vulnerable than Jews... () jafi.org.il nkusa.org

To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (6892)	2/1/2005 4:46:46 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 22250

Re: Isra'El cannot fight the whole world. This is why it will be destroyed. Actually, there's a much, much worse fate that awaits Israel: survival on her Arab neighbors' terms! That's indeed the dirty little secret that lies deep beneath the current mess... As I once put it, a (lasting) peaceful acceptance of Israel by the Muslim world might just spell the doom of Judeo-Christianity. Somehow, we can view the whole conflict as a financial transaction: Europe --and, as PM Ariel Sharon reminded us only a few days ago, America too()-- owed a huge "moral debt" to the Jewish people (Holocaust, anti-Judaism, anti-Semitism). Hence they tried to offset/settle their debt by granting Jews an Israeli state (at the Palestinians' expense). The Arab/Muslim world, however, is not ready to pay for the Christians' sins --unconditionally. And here's the deal --or the curse, from the West's viewpoint: the Muslim world might take up the Western debt provided some compensation for the Palestinians (see the Beirut Summit). Once such a comprehensive agreement (debt swap) is reached, the EU-US debt (to the Jews) will be reimbursed by the Muslim world and Christianity's debt rating will be downgraded to JUNK(). Gus () 'No one cared' Israel, which observes its own Holocaust Memorial Day in the spring, is commemorating Israel's struggle against anti-Semitism on this 60th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz, just as it did last year. Prime Minister Sharon said the allies knew about the annihilation of the Jews during World War II. "They knew and did nothing," he said. "On April 19, 1943, the Bermuda Conference gathered, with the participation of representatives from Britain and the United States, to discuss saving the Jews of Europe," Sharon told lawmakers at a special Knesset session on Wednesday. "In fact, the participants did everything in their power to avoid dealing with the problem. All the suggestions for rescue operations, which the Jewish organizations presented, were rejected. They simply did not want to deal with it," he charged. Sharon mentioned the Saint Louis, which set sail from Germany in 1939 with 1,000 Jews on board, who successfully escaped but were refused entry into Cuba and ports in the eastern U.S. and were forced to return to Europe, where most perished. He also spoke about the British Mandate, which ruled the Holy Land at the time, and refused to allow Jewish refugees into Israel. "Throughout the war, nothing was done to stop the annihilation [of the Jewish people]. When, in the summer of 1944, the mass deportations in Hungary were carried out, the allies did not bomb the train tracks, which led to Auschwitz from Hungary, nor the murder facilities in Birkenau, and this was despite the fact that they had the ability to do so," Sharon said. The lesson learned, Sharon said, is that the Jewish people must never put their trust in man. But even when the Jews defend themselves, it angers anti-Semites, who present Israel as the aggressor and accuse it of taking Nazi-like steps. [...] townhall.com (**) investopedia.com