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To: - with a K who wrote (20548)2/1/2005 1:20:59 PM
From: bozwood  Respond to of 78666
 
I use excel and put the financials in one tab and insert a word doc in another tab for notes, rationale, etc.



To: - with a K who wrote (20548)2/4/2005 5:43:29 PM
From: Jurgis Bekepuris  Respond to of 78666
 
Stock tracking:

Unfortunately my system is not very efficient, but I don't see a good way to improve it. :(

I track my portfolio financials in Quicken together with other finances.

I have my brokerage data on the web, but don't use it much except to buy/sell. Interface is not that good for DD.

I use Yahoo portfolios to track all ideas with upper and lower limits for buy/sell. 150 stocks there, so it's clear I don't spend enough time to watch each of them unless something big happens and they drop to the buy point. Don't have time to update buy points often either, so may miss the opportunities there. Use Yahoo news, Quicken.com data and SEC filings for research.

I have a Buffettology spreadsheet for each one of these 150 stocks (and couple more) updated about couple times a year depending on the stock. That's what adjusts buy/sell points. I try to put short notes into these spreadsheets about my decisions to buy/sell, etc.

I don't track performance more often than once a year and only for IRA, since it's rather simple with only one deposit per year. Too tough to do accurately for open account with frequent cash inflows/outflows (I use my brokerage as checking/bill pay too). Quicken does not do it, don't kid yourself. If you have frequent cash inflows/outflows almost no software tracks performance correctly.

Jurgis



To: - with a K who wrote (20548)2/4/2005 8:37:04 PM
From: Stewart Whitman  Respond to of 78666
 
With regard to your question on how people maintain their portfolio information and with the caveat that I've done a lot of software programming:

I maintain all my stock information in a database. I maintain 4 different categories of situations: Spin-off, Bankruptcy, Arbitrage, and Other. And I further classify the situations within each category (e.g. for the Other category there is Value, Growth, GARP, Turnaround, Restructuring, etc.). All information is presented via a web interface on my local web server. My spin-off information goes back to 1998. My bankruptcy information goes back to around 2002.

For each situation, I store general descriptive data for each company typically taken from various sources on the web. For each situation, I can attach links to news items (for example, links to messages on Silicon Investor). And I provide ready access to links to services like Edgar, Yahoo, Quicken, etc..

I also suck down information from various web sources to present derived information - for example, for an arbitrage situation, I show things like calculated merger value, spread, annualized returns, annualized returns based on standard position size and including commissions, even money probability, risk-adjusted return, spread history for last 60 days, relative liquidity. Some information is updated nightly and some things are based on delayed quote information.

For each stock in each situation, I can mark the stock as held, bid, or actively watched, and I can present an overall picture of all holdings in my portfolio as well as looking into the individual categories.

I also have a big area to enter notes. No more worrying about that skimpy single line of text that some internet sites provide.

I also maintain my own buy/sell targets, and periodically during the day, e-mail myself a report of which stocks exceed their trigger points. Some nice thing about this vs. Yahoo alerts: 1) I can tell when a quote fails - like when a ticker has been changed or deleted which yahoo does not, 2) it's not just a once a day notice like yahoo at least sometimes seems, 3) it is much more immediate than being sent e-mail thru a ton of external servers, 4) I can check the list of my held stocks to see whether I've set buy/sell targets for each one, 5) generally, since I'm lazy about selling or buying stock and I often let stocks sit above/below my triggers, I don't have to worry about sifting thru 20 or 30 recurring e-mails a day from yahoo.

I subjectively rank stocks from 1 to 5 based on how good a situation appears to be. For arbitrage, the ranking is based on how likely a situation is to close. For uncompleted spin-offs and bankruptcies, it's based on how interesting the opportunity looks. If a stock is trading, the ranking is based on information including conference calls and financials. Ranking stocks helps to remind me which stocks I wish to retain and which I probably want to liquidate if better opportunities present themselves.

Right now, I don't track portfolio transactions so there's no portfolio allocation tracking, position sizes, cost basis, or individual position return. I do remember the $ value of my account at the beginning of the year and how much money was added or removed, so I can tell my return in a rough manner. I download and run a program on the history of my account for tax purposes, from which I could probably accurately calculate return.

One of these days I plan to add a general calendar that can track things like expected merger closings, conference calls, spin-off dates, dividends, etc.

A lot of this is probably overkill (unless you do arbitrage). But if you want to graduate beyond spreadsheets, one direction might be to create your own personal database. I use Unix with a MySQL database and Perl scripts to do mine, but there's always Microsoft Access that includes a lot of tools to build interfaces with little work.

Regards,
Stew