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To: sylvester80 who wrote (157511)	2/1/2005 12:27:04 PM
From: michael97123	Respond to of 281500

SV govt had little legitamacy at any point. Iraq govt with popular support trying to get that. VC were nationalists/communists. Iraq insurgency is jihadist or baath fascist. Much more destructionist like Khmer Rouge than VC. Dopey comparison.

To: sylvester80 who wrote (157511)	2/1/2005 12:40:44 PM
From: SiouxPal	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

The understatement of the day..... CIA Corrects Itself on Arms A report, the first of its kind, says Baghdad ended its chemical weapons program in '91 By Greg Miller / Los Angeles Times WASHINGTON — In what may be a formal acknowledgment of the obvious, the CIA has issued a classified report revising its prewar assessments on Iraq and concluding that Baghdad abandoned its chemical weapons programs in 1991, intelligence officials familiar with the document said. The report marks the first time the CIA has officially disavowed its prewar judgments and is one in a series of updated assessments the agency is producing as part of an effort to correct its record on Iraq's alleged weapons programs, officials said. The CIA's decision to distribute the report — titled "Iraq: No Large-Scale Chemical Warfare Efforts Since Early 1990s" — in classified channels underscores the awkwardness the agency faces as it continues to reconcile its prewar reporting with postwar realities in Iraq. Before the war, the CIA asserted that Iraq had stockpiled biological weapons and was reconstituting its nuclear weapons program. A U.S. intelligence official said the document was "not a high-level report," meaning it was designed to supplant outdated assessments still on classified computer networks and was not meant to be called to the attention of President Bush or other senior government officials. "It's basically updating the books," said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, "so the information on the shelf is the most current." Current and former intelligence officials described it as a highly unusual step for the CIA. "It's stunning that they would actually put on paper a reversal" of previous intelligence estimates, said one intelligence official who had seen the document. Richard J. Kerr, a former senior CIA official who was hired by the agency last year to conduct an internal review of its prewar analysis, said he couldn't recall the agency ever issuing such a revisionist report on any subject. "But the situation is rather unique," Kerr said, noting that Iraq's postwar reality had made the agency's failings obvious. "Ordinarily, you're never proven wrong in a clean, neat way." The report is based largely on findings by the Iraq Survey Group, a CIA-led team of weapons experts that searched the country for more than a year without finding clear evidence of active illegal weapons programs. U.S. intelligence officials have long acknowledged that the prewar assessments were flawed. David Kay, the former head of the search team, told Congress last January, "We were almost all wrong." But other officials' statements have been more qualified. In a speech at Georgetown University last February, then-CIA Director George J. Tenet said that "when the facts of Iraq are all in, we will neither be completely right nor completely wrong." The new report from the CIA, which is dated Jan. 18, retreats from the agency's prewar assertions on chemical weapons on almost every front. It concludes that "Iraq probably did not pursue chemical warfare efforts after 1991." The report notes that its new conclusions "vary significantly" from prewar judgments "largely because of subsequent events and direct access to Iraqi officials, scientists, facilities and documents." A note in the report describes the document as the second in a "retrospective series that addresses our post-Operation Iraqi Freedom understanding of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction and delivery system programs." A Jan. 4 report focused on Scud missiles and other delivery systems. Intelligence officials said future reports would revise the agency's claims that Iraq had stockpiles of biological weapons and was rebuilding its nuclear weapons program. Those allegations were a centerpiece of the Bush administration's case for war with Iraq.

To: sylvester80 who wrote (157511)	2/1/2005 2:09:58 PM
From: Neocon	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Yes, and the failure of the Viet Cong led directly to the Tet Offensive, where the North Vietnamese essentially took over the war. In other words, the significance of the election was right, the Viet Cong were largely a spent force. Do you think that Syria is about to send regular army units into Iraq?

To: sylvester80 who wrote (157511)	2/1/2005 2:15:19 PM
From: Neocon	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

On the night of 31st January 1968, 70,000 North Vietnamese soldiers launched the Tet offensive - it proved to be one of the greatest campaigns in military history. Vietcong guerrilla fighters violated the temporary truce they had pledged to observe around the lunar new year celebrations, and surged into more than one hundred towns and cities, including Saigon. Shifting the war for the first time from its rural base into the new arena of South Vietnam's supposedly impregnable urban areas, it was a campaign of 'enormous breadth, speed and scope.' It shook US imperialism to its roots and had a dramatic and lasting effect on US public opinion. It was a campaign that had been in preparation since a study carried out by General Giap in September 1967 had concluded that the war had reached a 'stalemate' situation and that something needed to be done. Out of this report arose the plans for the Tet offensive. Vietcong leaders had carried out a vigorous propaganda campaign in order to prepare their forces. Ho Chi Minh urged the troops on to 'ever greater feats of battle' in 1968. marxist.com