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Politics : Just the Facts, Ma'am: A Compendium of Liberal Fiction -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Suma who wrote (28067)	2/2/2005 4:53:47 PM
From: Oeconomicus	Respond to of 90947

Suma, please don't put quotation marks or parentheses right at the end of links - it screws them up. As for that chart, it's interesting, but rather arbitrary and vague, IMO. The fact that it puts fascism and communism at the extreme of statism is fine and correct, but the other scale implies dramatic differences that are vaguely defined. The important thing to note is the commonality of statism or extreme low liberty. It's a "general will" or "group rights" over individual rights philosophy. The other scale, IMO, is prejudicial by it's very labels. A committed fascist would consider his favored system to be no less rational than a communist would consider his own. You might be interested in knowing, BTW, that Hitler's earliest supporters were disaffected communists. Mousolini was himself a disaffected communist. I'd also note, re the chart, that the entire spectrum of mainstream US politics is clustered right around the center of the diagram.

To: Suma who wrote (28067)	2/3/2005 2:25:18 AM
From: Sully-	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 90947

FWIW, Wikipedia is quite liberally biased. One clue for liberally biased folks would be that you find you agree with most of what the site purports to be fact.

To: Suma who wrote (28067)	2/3/2005 2:41:34 AM
From: DavesM	Respond to of 90947

re:"The Pournelle Political Axes" As in Jerry Pournelle the science fiction writer? I guess you can say that Hitler was a Right Wing Conservative; in the same way that Pol Pot, Mao and Stalin were Left Wing Liberals.

To: Suma who wrote (28067)	2/3/2005 1:16:04 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 90947

Among those familiar with Pournelle, he is well known for his liberal leanings. This certainly comes as no surprise. Also, your direct Pournelle chart link does not work. And the wikipedia link yeilds Pournelle Chart" From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Wikipedia does not yet have an article with this exact name. * Start the Pournelle Chart" article (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pournelle_Chart%22&action=edit) * If you have created this page in the past few minutes and it has not yet appeared, it may not be visible due to a delay in updating the database. Please wait and check again later before attempting to recreate the page. * Search for Pournelle Chart" in other articles * If you created an article under this title previously, it may have been deleted. See candidates for speedy deletion for possible reasons. * Look for Pournelle Chart" in Wiktionary, our sister dictionary project.