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To: Elroy who wrote (217025)	2/3/2005 1:24:05 AM
From: Joe NYC	Respond to of 1575624

Elroy, How frickin' long does it take to train an Iraqi policeman??? Try 3 months. If they can't get trained in three months, they are never going to be able to secure their country. The US's job in Iraq is ALMOST finished, we aren't supposed to police their country for a decade.... The whole situation is complicated by the Iraq's 3 population groups, and this notion of maintaining the idea of Iraq. If the country was split (as I mentioned before) into 3 parts of Kurdistan, Shiraq and Insurgistan as you suggested here: Message 20757324 we could be out of the Siraq and Kurdistan and we could let Inusrgistan go to hell, if we really wanted to get out tomorrow. Of course there is an overlap and misplaced people, but those things (while really tragic to some individuals) could be temporary. I am very sceptical about multilingual / multicultural / multinational countries. Spliting them, whenever feasible, eliminates so much useless energy that goes into blaming some nation / group for once problems. Splitting countries has been (overall) a success. The State department has a knee jerk reaction against this, but, under new management (unlike what the State department has had in recent history) if the going gets tough, mayby Condi would be pragmatic. I think there needs to be something very big that can unify people with different background under one flag. The idea of America is as big as it gets, there have been individuals (Tito, Stalin, various kings or empires), but those things did not last. But as of today, I think the idea of unified Iraq has received a huge boost, so maybe they will find their unifying idea... Joe PS: looking back on Iraq, of course I am impressed with Bush, but the other guy that deserves perhaps as much credit is Shistani. He has been even bigger believer of as direct democracy as possible, as soon as possible, and had Bush listened to him earlier, a lot of bad things could have been avoided

To: Elroy who wrote (217025)	2/3/2005 8:56:54 PM
From: RetiredNow	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1575624

You sound like a little kid with A.D.D. Of course, most of the liberals in this country sound that way. Germany and Japan took 3-4 years to get to an election. U.S. troops didn't withdraw for decades after. U.S. troops stationed in both Germany and Japan brought a great deal of goodwill and money to both those recovering countries. Now look at them both. They are a lasting testament to the power of the U.S. to help people find a way to build a lasting and peaceful country for themselves. Yet, with Iraq, you want us out after only 2 years. That is simply ridiculous. There are no historical precedents for us withdrawing so quickly. In fact, since Iraq represents a bigger problem for us than Germany or Japan, I'd say more time, not less, will be required. I hope it will be less, but we should never leave until the job is done. If that's not popular with the liberal left, then so be it. Failure is simply not an option in Iraq. The consequences of failure are way to grave.