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To: SARMAN who wrote (47738)2/3/2005 12:53:21 PM
From: Skywatcher  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 50167
 
Good luck....the dissertation will follow

CC



To: SARMAN who wrote (47738)2/3/2005 1:15:49 PM
From: Neil H  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 50167
 
If SA holds an election today you are sadly mistaken if you think an OLB govt would be elected. Those cretans now have minimal following as they have shown their colors by indiscriminate bombing and killing. They lost their broad appeal in 2004 with the bombings and killings and the media/clergy required to present a moderate point of view. The Saudi Govt is taking OLB crew out, slowly but surely.

Will a democratic govt. have a strong religious composition, yes, but not the Al Qaeda thugs. The Saudis do love their luxuaries and lifestyle.

Regards

Neil



To: SARMAN who wrote (47738)2/3/2005 5:38:49 PM
From: IQBAL LATIF  Respond to of 50167
 
<< Iqbal Justify this

news.bbc.co.uk;

Abdul Samadi, the pictures are horrific and very distressing, I feel very sorry for the children who were orphaned by a very tragic but bizarre incident. Individual tragedies alas do not constitute basis of global wars, in these present being conducted to eradicate roots of terror of ultimate kind lot of innocents do become cannon fodder, what we very inhumanly term as collateral damage. Remember innocents throwing themselves from WTC? The pictures were as repulsive as the ones you have posted, no distinctions can be made when innocent blood is spilled, however it is the circumstances that we need to examine before passing a verdict of guilt.

In this particular case I have my condemnation of incident tapered due to very cold-hearted father. In our part of the world, father hood is a major responsibility, motherhood ensures bringing up of the children within a household it is the father who like a lion should protect his innocent charge from such foolish adventures.

I think that principal blame of this act lies on the father of these kids, early morning dusk ride with the whole family could have only come as a part of great necessity, but foolhardy and reckless behaviour of overlooking warnings to stop and cold blooded disregard of warning shots in present war milieu in Iraq is asking for major trouble, all responsible fathers would stop on a road block; he was either bewildered, fearful or a callous father, definitely it was former not later but certainly that does not relieve him from being a very reckless parent. To take his kids through such dangerous ordeal in early dusk hours and let his innocent children and his wife go through such a daredevil ride was not conscientious.

I have seen these kind of road blocks, during the first Gulf war after conquest of Kuwait we had to cross these road blocks during our commute to buy essentials, first thing we did was never take the kids in the same car out nor did I ever take my wife out with me, second wherever we were asked to stop we would make sure we complied with the edicts of invading forces of Saddam. Now in Iraq the distances are big and funerals and marriages entail night travels for the whole family and naturally it is cheaper for the whole family to take a car journey but that means a wholly liable mind-set and very dedicated scrutiny of what is happening around.

It is normal for families to travel overnight, we did escape from occupied Kuwait to Iran through Basra during early dusk hours, as soon I came out of my street my car was stopped on the first road block and than several more of ferocious Republican guards checked us until I reached Basra, on every stop I made sure I listened to the orders of the Iraqi intruders of Kuwait.

In wake of hundreds of suicide car bombing attacks in occupied Iraq, the allied occupation soldiers have great sensitivities too; it was a totally puzzled father trying to run away from equally distrustful soldiers who have seen their comrades felled to exactly such attacks.

We cannot draw moral equivalence when comparing tragedies, all acts where innocent blood is spilled should be avoided at every cost but sometime when innocent blood becomes the cheapest commodity like it was under Saddam than some actions are definitely required, did you see that despite of OBL/Zarqawi call the downtrodden masses of Iraq came on street and danced for their freedom, last Sunday was nearly two weeks form this ugly tragedy that you have posted but despite of that Iraqi in majority made a clarion call to the world by voting in mass that the freedom that allied forces won for them means a lot to them, the other course could have been that they could be intimidated and sat at homes listening to all those who had issued holy edicts that these yearning for freedom and ballot boxes are instruments of infidelity and imported paganism. In any case the change that we all witnessed on Sunday showed us that inadvertent sacrifice made by that father were and shall not be lost..



To: SARMAN who wrote (47738)2/3/2005 6:44:07 PM
From: IQBAL LATIF  Respond to of 50167
 
<< 1.And please do not tell me that the US intention are to free the Iraqis from Saddam. >>

1. To cut it short, I believe that US intentions are/were to free Iraq from a bloodthirsty tyrant who spilled more blood than any of the contemporary leaders post Hitler/ Mao era.

<< 2. Saddam was install by the west to rule Iraq.>>

2. Saddam was not installed by the west but by the Iraqi Baathists, he came to power after sidelining Hasan alBakr, he eliminated nearly the entire senior leadership of the party even his own relations, Adnan Khairullah was killed in a helicopter incident so did others who ever rose to offer any leadership threat. Most of the tyrants are result of total lack of respect for pluralism and freedom within nations of Islam. Assad or for that matter Mubarak or Gaddafi are all products of west because whenever any western leader wants to remove any of this blood thirsty tyrant the entire Islamic world makes sure to back the tyrant, in case of Reagan taking on Ghaddafi he overnight became the hero of Islam so did Saddam, irrespective of the millions of Islamic people that he killed during the Iraq Iran war and the iron clad measures that he adopted to curb dissidence. Taking responsibility of their own actions is something that Islamic nations collectively lack; every sin of their own has always been the responsibility of others. The shortest cut to escapism from political realism in ME is that all our ills are western responsibilities, like after Saddam ill planned invasion of Kuwait that was driven by his lust to steal 100 billion dollars of Kuwait future generation fund, every simpleton around town still believes that it was April Gillespie who encouraged Saddam the little kid to invade Kuwait. Listen man life is not that simple neither Mr. Saddam was a kid who will listen to US ambassador rather he should have been careful not to invite the wrath of others on his ill conceived take over of Kuwait.

<< 3.Democracy and freedom in ME will go against US interest. Example, if SA hold an election, Muslim extremist like OBL will be ruling SA not the pro yes sir Al Saud royals. It is all about OIL and the mighty DOLLAR. >>



3. Freedom is as integral a desire of Middle Eastern as of any western man. Freedom initially is very chaotic I agree, dictatorships look to run a tight ship, you could see that in Hitler’s Reich, Tito’s Yugoslavia, Stalin’s Russia or Mao’s China but the simmering undercurrents were ready to blow the lid off, the implosion that have recently happened in most of the aforementioned countries are signs of great changes that we all are witnessing, this is century of change and we seeing accelerated version of events as never before, all ex-dictatorships are moving towards right of expression and freedom from totalitarianisms. May be Iraq will chaotic as freedom takes hold but free society leads to a prosperous society and progressive society, I am very hopeful that Saudi Arabia should take example of Kuwait, it is the most freest of the littoral states in the Gulf but very stable as it as a constitutional monarchy although absolutist but infringed with limitations of a parliament. Qatar has shown the way how to let free media flourish, so I don’t believe that freedom and democracy in Arab societies will throw up OBL’s of the world, rather OBL has expedited his own demise by following the most radical strain of Islam. A democratic Saudi Arabia will be more like Kuwait and I can rest assure you that freedom in Saudi will lead to a far more stable society where muttawas will not be able to reign free and woman shall be given the right to drive. OBL will take over a medieval Saudi but a free Saudi will reject OBL like Kuwait’s have rejected OBL so does recent Iraqi election showed you what happened to the blank threats of Zarqawi.

If it was all about oil and dollar than why did Americans restored sovereign rule of Al-Sabah’s after they won Kuwait from crutches of Saddam, Kuwait has nearly 22 percent of known OPEC oil reserves has no army and the rulers had escaped the country when Saddam tanks rolled in, Americans could have declared it lost and found property and hold on to the oil, rather the sovereignty of Kuwait was restored in a day and every drop of oil after liberation was paid for by the US forces. Please come to real world and the real world is more honest and less conspiracy prone, it is for this that CC calls my straight rejoinders as thesis. ggg,



To: SARMAN who wrote (47738)2/3/2005 6:47:52 PM
From: IQBAL LATIF  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 50167
 
Summary: What follows the war in Iraq will be at least as important as the war itself. Nurturing democracy there after Saddam won't be easy. But it may not be impossible either. Iraq has several assets doing for it, including an educated middle class and a history of political pluralism under an earlier monarchy.

THE SHAPE OF THINGS TO COME

Thus far, most of the endless talk about the war in Iraq has focused on several issues: the scale of the operation, Washington's motivation, and the rift in the Atlantic alliance. It is now safe to assume, however, that if and when war comes (as of this writing, the battle had yet to begin), the United States and its allies will win, Saddam Hussein and his cronies will be toppled, and some sort of massive military occupation will follow.

In the aftermath of the war, the occupiers will focus on immediate tasks, such as ensuring order, providing relief to the long-suffering Iraqi people, and asserting control over the country. Very quickly, however -- even before they have met these goals -- the victorious powers will have to answer another pressing question: How, exactly, should they go about rebuilding the country? Saying simply that postwar Iraq should be democratic will be the easy part. Just about everyone agrees on that, and indeed, for many this end will justify the entire operation. The more difficult question will be how to make it happen.

Fortunately, the job of building democracy in Iraq, although difficult, may not be quite as hard as many critics of the war have warned. Iraq today possesses several features that will facilitate the reconstruction effort. Despite Saddam's long repression, democratic institutions are not entirely alien to the country. Under the Hashemite monarchy, which ruled from 1921 until 1958, Iraq adopted a parliamentary system modeled on that of its colonial master, the United Kingdom. Political parties existed, even in the opposition, and dissent and disagreement were generally tolerated. Debates in parliament were often vigorous, and legislators were usually allowed to argue and vote against the government without fear of retribution. Although the palace and the cabinet set the agenda, parliament often managed to influence policy. And this pluralism extended to Iraq's press: prior to the 1958 revolution that toppled the monarchy, 23 independent newspapers were published in Baghdad, Mosul, and Basra alone.

Not that the Iraqi kingdom always refrained from electoral fraud, harassment of opponents, or abuse of emergency powers. The government also occasionally banned newspapers that dared to indulge in particularly virulent criticism of the regime (although the bans typically lasted for only short periods). To be sure, Iraq's history -- both under the monarchy and especially after the 1958 coup -- has been filled with plenty of authoritarianism, tribalism, and ethnic and sectarian violence. The postwar reconstruction of Germany and Japan, however, not to mention the more recent transitions from communism in eastern and central Europe, all testify to the way in which democratic political institutions can change such attitudes in a country -- often quite quickly. Having said that, the success or failure of democracy in Iraq will depend on whether the country's new political institutions take into consideration its unique social and communal makeup. It is therefore important to start talking about specifics. What should the blueprint for a future democratic Iraq look like?

LET'S GET FEDERAL

Iraq's ethnic and sectarian diversity -- the splits between Kurds, Arabs, and Turkmen, and between Shi`ites and Sunnis -- is usually seen as an impediment to building a stable democracy there. The fact is, however, that all this antagonism could serve a constructive purpose: having factions zealously check each others' power could actually promote democracy at the expense of rigid communal particularism. The trick is to work out a constitutional arrangement that makes sense of Iraq's social and cultural mosaic, transforming diversity into an agent for positive change.

For that reason, democratic Iraq must have a federal system of government. Already, the Kurds -- who have enjoyed freedom from Baghdad's control since the establishment of the northern no-fly zone -- have been adamant in demanding such a system. But all Iraqis would benefit from federalism, as the example of other current federal states -- the United States, Germany, Russia, and now the United Kingdom -- suggests.

In a federal Iraq, both Baghdad and the regions should be equal guardians of the constitution. Monitoring the rights and arbitrating disputes between these power bases should be the responsibility of a strong federal judiciary. As other federal states have shown, constitutional amendments to change this arrangement should be allowed only with the concurrence of both houses of the legislature, the head of state, and all federal units. Allowing the center to bypass the regions in amending the constitution quickly dilutes local rights and increases regional antipathy to central control -- as occurred in Russia before the December 1993 referendum imposed a new federal constitution.

Successful federal systems also divide power to raise and distribute revenues between the capital and the periphery. Central revenues can be used to redistribute resources from rich to poor regions, whereas local revenues support local economic and cultural initiatives. Such revenue-sharing arrangements are critical because power follows resources; when the central government denies regions the right to raise and spend money, it is tantamount to denying them authority. Revenue-sharing, on the other hand, can also decrease the temptation for one ethnic group to either capture the state or seek separation. That said, as in other federal states, certain strategic assets such as Iraq's petroleum must remain in the hands of the central government.

foreignaffairs.org