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Pastimes : FISH FARMS NEED TO BE THE SIZE OF COUNTRIES -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: redfish who wrote (266)	2/3/2005 8:45:45 PM
From: Raymond Duray	Respond to of 405

redfish, Re: Imo the only solution is to attack the demand side. For that, we can rely on government reports about excessive mercury in tuna, or the efforts of groups like Seaweb.org to educate the public. Other than that, I have to take exception to your sole proposed solution. Over the course of time, I've come to see that many nations have established policies that make it attractive for commercial interests to secure too many loans for too many boats and too much efficient fishing gear. As nations compete, they tend to subsidize their own fleets. I see this as a real problem. The industry itself is in love with subsidies and cheap loans, so there is hardly any way to attack this, absent catastrophic events such as the collapse of the cod fishery on the Grand Banks. If humankind were wiser, what we'd do would be to establish marine sanctuaries in rich fish nursery environments such as estuaries and other protected waters. We'd learn that we could be harvesting the same tonnage of commercial fish and shellfish in a few years from much larger individual animals if we were to cease to fish down the food chain. And we'd limit bycatch to a much greater extent than is the case today, realizing that there is a web of life in the oceans that is being threatened in at least 2/3 of the regions of the planet where commercial fishing activities occur. There really needs to be a much more scientific basis for management of the ocean resource. The present hodgepodge of regional governmental oversight is far to prone to political pressure, as witnessed by the recent EU agreements on fishing in European waters. I've lived on the Pacific coast of North America for the past 32 years. In that time, I've seen a continuous erosion in the salmon fishery in this region. And today we're witnessing a new attack on sensible conservation policies by reactionary and small-minded judges who are finding that farmed fish are to be considered in fish counts of endangered and threatened species that formerly protected the spawning grounds of our native wild stocks. It is human decisions like this that are at the root of our problems with fisheries management. Human greed is what needs to be controlled, but we all know how difficult that is to achieve. -R.

To: redfish who wrote (266)	2/5/2005 1:00:28 PM
From: maceng2	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 405

"Responsible fishing" is possible for inshore waters, but not for offshore, as the water is considered international and even if it weren't, it would be impossible to police the vast oceans Somehow I doubt what you say. Like "responsible fishing" is possible for the vast oceans. We have space satellites and the "200 mile limit" could be extended until all the oceans are covered by responsible government. Not all governments will be responsible, and those who are (like Iceland) will win. Losers will be losers as they always are. rgds, pb.