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To: Ilaine who wrote (98657)	2/4/2005 12:57:52 PM
From: Lane3	Respond to of 793625

Is being secular, worldly, and tolerant of heresy and sin really the apotheosis of mankind? Surely not the way we currently implement it, but it beats the suffocating, dehumanizing alternative by a long shot. Hopefully this is just a stage of human growth on the way to that apotheosis.

To: Ilaine who wrote (98657)	2/4/2005 2:41:33 PM
From: KLP	Respond to of 793625

I think you've hit it square on, CB...Have wanted to not believe it, but events in the last several years are piling up...and adding up.... >>>It's a shame that we have lost our understanding of what it means for religion to be central in your life. Even the devout in our culture have become too secularized.<<< <<<I think what Bush is trying to get at is that we would be better off if we got to the young Muslims and secularized them before the Islamists could turn them into Islamists. But of course he can't say that.<<<

To: Ilaine who wrote (98657)	2/4/2005 3:25:14 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Respond to of 793625

I think what Bush is trying to get at is that we would be better off if we got to the young Muslims and secularized them before the Islamists could turn them into Islamists. But of course he can't say that. Is being secular, worldly, and tolerant of heresy and sin really the apotheosis of mankind? Maybe so. But we tolerate an awful lot of vice. There is a difference between demanding separation of church and state, and demanding secularization. But it may not feel that way to a Moslem for whom traditionally & ideally, there is no such separation.