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To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (671249)2/4/2005 4:29:21 PM
From: Bill  Respond to of 769670
 
Looks like those sources never checked the arithmetic.

5.6% was the average unemployment rate under clinton.



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (671249)2/4/2005 4:34:26 PM
From: DizzyG  Respond to of 769670
 
Not good enough, Kenneth...

I gave you numbers from the BLS. Do the math yourself. Your "sources" are incorrect. :)

Diz-



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (671249)2/4/2005 7:17:54 PM
From: DavesM  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769670
 
Kenneth,

The second site also claims: "At the current rate of growth it is almost certain that Democrats will be proven right about Bush being the first President since Hoover to suffer a net job loss over a full four-year term."

Well, the numbers are in, and the President Bush is NOT the first President since Hoover to suffer a net job loss over a full four-year term. Though it is small, there are more nonfarm payroll jobs in January 2005 than January 2001. Not bad for a guy who took the Oath of Office in the middle of the greatest financial market crash in 70 years.

Also, for the first time ever, there are over 140,000,000 people employed, with jobs in the United States.



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (671249)2/4/2005 10:45:56 PM
From: Hope Praytochange  Respond to of 769670
 
how is the market doing today ???



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (671249)2/4/2005 11:30:30 PM
From: Hope Praytochange  Respond to of 769670
 
Iraq's Sunnis Rethink Strategy
Conciliatory Line Carries Conditions
By Anthony Shadid
Washington Post Foreign Service
Saturday, February 5, 2005; Page A01

BAGHDAD, Feb. 4 -- Influential Sunni Arab leaders of a boycott of last week's elections expressed a new willingness Friday to engage the coming Iraqi government and play a role in writing the constitution, in what may represent a strategic shift in thinking among mainstream anti-occupation groups.

The signs remain tentative, and even advocates of such change suggest that much will depend on the posture the new government takes toward the insurgency and the removal of former Baath Party officials from state institutions. But in statements and interviews, some Sunni leaders said the sectarian tension that surged ahead of the vote had forced them to rethink their stance.

Iraqis voted Sunday for seats in a 275-member transitional parliament, which will appoint the government and draft the constitution this year. In all likelihood, the parliament will be dominated by members of the country's Shiite Arab majority and by ethnic Kurdish Sunnis from northern Iraq, leaving Sunni Arabs and others who oppose the presence of foreign troops in Iraq with little representation.

"We are taking a conciliatory line because we are frightened that things may develop into a civil war," said Wamidh Nadhmi, the leader of the Arab Nationalist Trend and a spokesman for a coalition of Sunni and Shiite groups that boycotted the election. "The two sides have come to a conclusion that they have to respect the other side if they want a unified Iraq."

He cautioned, however, that "perhaps it will not succeed."

The Association of Muslim Scholars, one of the most influential groups, sent mixed signals this week -- saying it would respect the election results, while arguing that the new government will lack the legitimacy to draft a constitution. But the sermon Friday at the association's headquarters, the Um al-Qura mosque, was decidedly conciliatory. Directing most of his words at the new government, the preacher called Iraq its "trusteeship" and said the people's welfare was "a great responsibility on your shoulders."

A meeting Thursday at the home of a Sunni elder statesman that brought together some largely Sunni groups, including those that boycotted the elections, produced an agreement to participate in drafting the constitution, "without condition," said Nadhmi, one of those in attendance. A spokesman for the Iraqi Islamic Party, which withdrew from Sunday's vote but still was listed on the ballot, said that its members would not enter parliament but that the party would not object if independent candidates who were included on its list took seats.

"We're getting the same vibes," a Western diplomat said on condition of anonymity.

"It's my sense that there are a number of people in the Sunni community that are trying to build consensus in that community that . . . participation in the political process would be to the best advantage of the Sunni Arab community," the diplomat said.

A decision by Sunni Muslim and other anti-occupation groups to engage the new government and help draft the constitution would mark one of the most important shifts in Iraq since Saddam Hussein's fall in April 2003. In the subsequent 22 months, the country's tumultuous politics have often broken down between groups willing to take part in a U.S.-led process and those opposed to participation as long as the U.S. military occupied the country. While the opponents largely came from the Sunni minority, long the country's most powerful sect, they also included followers of a militant Shiite Muslim cleric, Moqtada Sadr.

The shift in thinking appears to have arisen from a calculation that the election may have created a new dynamic in Iraq, as the country slowly moves past an emphasis on the U.S. occupation and more toward the blueprint of a future state. The groups do not speak for the insurgency, but the Association of Muslim Scholars, in particular, holds great sway in the Sunni Arab community in central and western Iraq, where there are signs of grass-roots discontent over the boycott.

As part of the dialogue, the community appears to be formulating concrete political demands that were often missing before. Those demands center on the presence of 150,000 U.S. troops in the country and the date of their departure.

"What we're asking for is a conditional timetable," said Ayad Samarrai, a spokesman for the Iraqi Islamic Party.

"It's not rigid and it's not impossible to achieve," he said at the party's headquarters, echoing statements made this week by the Association of Muslim Scholars and Nadhmi's group. "We take into consideration that some delay might happen, but at least if we have a plan, we can have the confidence of the people that we are working toward this goal."

Officials with Sadr's movement took a similar stand Friday in Kufa, the group's headquarters in southern Iraq.

"I call for all those who backed the elections to demand a formal schedule for the withdrawal of foreign forces," said a spokesman, Hashim Abu Raghif, reading a statement in the name of Sadr, who has rarely appeared since fighting ended in August between his militia and U.S. forces. "They asked to hold the elections, and they were answered. So let them end the occupation."

U.S. officials and their Iraqi allies have refused to set a time for a withdrawal, saying they instead want to wait until Iraqi security forces can enforce order. Given the uneven track record of the freshly trained forces, the officials have been loath to set a deadline.

"I just don't think right now that the American government wants to get in the business of time frames," the diplomat said. "Better not to make promises that you are not sure that you can keep."

The results of Sunday's election may not be complete until next week, but a list backed by Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani, the country's most influential religious leader, has made the strongest early showing. While diverse, the list is anchored by two avowedly Islamic parties: the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq and factions grouped under the Dawa party.

Both those Shiite parties have sent conciliatory signals in recent weeks, urging the widest possible participation in the constitution's drafting and playing down the role of the Shiite clergy in the coming government.

But the agenda of the Supreme Council, in particular, sits uneasily with many Sunni leaders, who fear the group is beholden to neighboring Iran and who recoil at its often explicitly sectarian rhetoric. (Often, Sunni Arabs are reluctant to identify themselves as such, framing their words in nationalist rather than religious terms.) In Baratha mosque, loyal to the Supreme Council, the prayer leader on Friday ridiculed the Association of Muslim Scholars and compared its brand of Islam to "Saddam Hussein's Islam."

Samarrai and others said they were already worried by other statements of candidates on the Sistani-backed list, who began jockeying for positions in the government even before the election was held. Their biggest concerns: that a Shiite militia loyal to the Supreme Council would enter the government's fledgling security forces and that the process of weeding out former Baathists would be stepped up.

"Worse or better depends on the policy of the next government," Samarrai said.

"That will be the end of it," Nadhmi said in an interview. "There would be no reconciliation."

In part, the Sunni and nationalist groups may be playing to their own constituencies. By all accounts, the Sunni turnout was far lower than that of Shiites and Kurds, although Sunni leaders debate whether that was a result of intimidation or adherence to calls for a boycott. But some residents in such Sunni towns as Ramadi and Tikrit have suggested there may be regrets over the choice. The disappointment seems strongest in urban areas, which have proved less sympathetic to the insurgency than the countryside.

The insurgents "made fools of us," said Mahmoud Ghasoub, a businessman in Baiji, a restive northern town. "They voted to disrupt the elections but failed. Now we have lost both tracks. We did not vote, nor did they disrupt the elections."

Mohammed Hayawi, 41, a bookseller in Baghdad, voiced similar sentiments, even though he voted. As a nationalist, he said, he resents the American occupation and remains baffled at the lack of electricity almost two years after Hussein's fall.

"The ballot box was for America," said Hayawi, who voted for the party of Adnan Pachachi, a former foreign minister. "I know I was being hypocritical. But there was no other choice. The future of Iraq is a line that goes through the occupation. If you asked me why I was voting, it's because I want to find something to pull me out of this mud."

He paused, then added: "Maybe this is the rope that will save us."

Special correspondents Saad Sarhan in Kufa, Salih Saif Aldin in Tikrit and Bassam Sebti in Baghdad contributed to this report.



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (671249)2/5/2005 4:24:26 AM
From: Hope Praytochange  Respond to of 769670
 
how is the market doing ?? The March NASDAQ 100 index closed higher on Friday due to short
covering and above resistance marked by the 20-day moving average
crossing at 1532.87. The high-range close sets the stage for a steady
to firmer opening on Monday. Stochastics and the RSI are neutral to
bullish signaling that sideways to higher prices are possible
near-term. Closes above the 20-day moving average crossing at 1532.87
would open the door for a possible test of broken support crossing at
1547.40 later this month. Closes below last week's low crossing at
1484.50 would confirm an end to the short covering rebound off
January's low while opening the door for a possible test of the 75%
retracement level of last year's rally crossing at 1453.38 later this
winter. The March S&P 500 index closed higher on Friday as it
extended the short covering rebound off January's low. Today's rally
led to a close above the reaction high crossing at 1197.50. The
high-range close sets the stage for a steady to firmer opening on
Monday. Stochastics and the RSI remain bullish signaling that
sideways to higher prices are possible near-term. If March extends
this week's rally, fib resistance crossing at 1207.02 is the next
upside target. Closes below the 10-day moving average crossing at
1181.17 would signal that the corrective rally has come to an end.

The Dow closed sharply higher on Friday and above the reaction high
crossing at 10,633. The high-range close sets the stage for a steady
to firmer opening on Monday. Stochastics and the RSI are bullish
signaling that sideways to higher prices are possible near-term. If
the Dow extends its short covering rally off January's low, fib
resistance crossing at 10,747 is the next upside target. Closes below
the 10-day moving average crossing at 10,513 would signal that the
short covering bounce off January's low has likely come to an end.



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (671249)2/5/2005 7:53:32 AM
From: Hope Praytochange  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 769670
 
kennyboy listens to this:
Still, we must do more. The Trust Fund is projected to go broke now by 2015, and the new report I am issuing shows why. Not only will the senior population nearly double over the next 25 years, but already today, in 40 of our 50 states, one in ten Medicare beneficiaries is 85 years of age or older. This is the fastest-growing group of seniors. And they require the greatest amount of care. And they will spend -- consider this -- almost a quarter of their lives on Medicare. The report also shows that in every state in America, there are more women on Medicare than men; on average 57 percent women, 43 percent men.

This report is the most compelling evidence to date that we must strengthen and modernize Medicare for the long run, including adding a voluntary prescription drug benefit. With our economy strong, our budget balanced, our people confident, now is the time to deal with this important issue. The budget I propose does just that while maintaining our surplus and paying down our debt over the next 13 years to make us debt free for the first time since 1835. It uses the savings from debt reduction to lengthen the life of Social Security and Medicare. It uses competition and the best private sector practices to control costs and improve quality in Medicare.

And it provides funds to give every older American, at long last, a choice of affordable coverage for prescription drugs. These drugs are an indispensable part of modern medicine. No one creating a Medicare program today would think of creating a program without prescription drug coverage. Yet more than three in five Medicare recipients now lack dependable drug coverage which can lengthen and enrich their lives. It is even worse for seniors in rural areas, who have little or no option to purchase private prescription drug coverage. And as today's report shows, nearly a quarter of our nation's elderly live in rural areas.

ssa.gov



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (671249)2/7/2005 11:12:25 AM
From: DizzyG  Respond to of 769670
 
Kenneth, here is what I found when I went to the BLS site:


Clinton Years
1993 7.3 7.1 7 7.1 7.1 7 6.9 6.8 6.7 6.8 6.6 6.5 6.91
1994 6.6 6.6 6.5 6.4 6.1 6.1 6.1 6 5.9 5.8 5.6 5.5 6.10
1995 5.6 5.4 5.4 5.8 5.6 5.6 5.7 5.7 5.6 5.5 5.6 5.6 5.59
1996 5.6 5.5 5.5 5.6 5.6 5.3 5.5 5.1 5.2 5.2 5.4 5.4 5.41
6.00

1997 5.3 5.2 5.2 5.1 4.9 5 4.9 4.8 4.9 4.7 4.6 4.7 4.94
1998 4.6 4.6 4.7 4.3 4.4 4.5 4.5 4.5 4.6 4.5 4.4 4.4 4.50
1999 4.3 4.4 4.2 4.3 4.2 4.3 4.3 4.2 4.2 4.1 4.1 4 4.22
2000 4 4.1 4 3.8 4 4 4 4.1 3.9 3.9 3.9 3.9 3.97
4.41
Bush Years
2001 4.2 4.2 4.3 4.4 4.3 4.5 4.6 4.9 5 5.3 5.6 5.7 4.75
2002 5.7 5.7 5.7 5.9 5.8 5.8 5.8 5.7 5.7 5.7 5.9 6 5.78
2003 5.8 5.9 5.8 6 6.1 6.3 6.2 6.1 6.1 6 5.9 5.7 5.99
2004 5.7 5.6 5.7 5.5 5.6 5.6 5.5 5.4 5.4 5.5 5.4 5.4 5.53
5.51
2005 5.2

data.bls.gov

So it would appear that my original information was incorrect. Over an 8 year period, Clinton had an AVERAGE rate of 5.2% unemployment rate.

However, it is interesting to note that Bush has a better unemployment track record when we compare the first 4 years of each administration. So it is disingenuous, at best, to state that Clinton has a better record. Bush still has 4 more years to go. :)

Diz-