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To: tejek who wrote (217597)	2/5/2005 4:27:16 AM
From: Raymond Duray	Respond to of 1572604

CONSPIRACY IS FACT, NOT THEORY: Re: One is the Defense Policy Board. Its made up of Gingrich and other necons. I believe they are very well organized and very capable of a conspiracy theory. There's no doubt any longer that Franklin Roosevelt provoked the attack on Pearl Harbor and failed to warn regional Naval commanders. In fact, Admiral Stinnett was used as a scapegoat and a patsy for Roosevelt's scheme to get America into WW II. There's no doubt that Lyndon Johnson conspired to lie to country and to Congress about events in the Tonkin Gulf in 1964, pushing the U.S. into the miserable Viet Nam War. There's no doubt that a double-crossing George H.W. Bush cheated Saddam Hussein and then told a huge series of lies to the American public in order to create Bush's greatly satisfying Gulf War and his own 90% popularity ratings. Presidents are continuously cheating, lying and conspiring to lead this nation into war. This isn't news. Nor is it news that there is a criminal conspiracy in the White House and the Pentagon today. You''ve mentioned the ridiculously named Defense Policy Board. More honestly stated, this is the Profit-From-Grotesque-Aggression Board. Members of the Defense Policy Board are associated with war profiteering corporations that have so far grossed well over $100 Billion since the 9/11 inside job gave them carte blanche to raid the U.S. Treasury. Obscenely, to all but the most obtuse and clueless observers, 9/11 was an inside job that these grotesque profiteers pulled off on their own and then blamed on some ridiculous patsies, furthering their ability to bamboozle the American public into vastly profitable military adventures in Afghanistan and Iraq. And still the public are too damn dumb to understand the game. OK, the Defense Policy Board is one bunch of crooks who should be behind bars. Another bunch is the louts in the Project for a New American Century. And that crowd at the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs. Just who's nation are these guys defending, anyway?

To: tejek who wrote (217597)	2/6/2005 4:49:19 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1572604

What are you saying? That neocons float in free space and from time to time, actually hook up? If so, that's a crock. There are several think tanks and org. to which neocons belong. One is the Defense Policy Board. There are think tanks and policy organizations which conservatives, neo-conservatives, liberals, libertarians, socialists, ect. belong two. That doesn't mean any of these groups are monolithic. within each group there are different opinions and ideas. The fact that there are "several think tanks " for each group just supports the idea that they are not monolithic as does the fact that a lot of people with each viewpoint are not a member of any of these think tanks or orgs. "Neo-Conservatives" are a bit different than the other groups in that they are often defined not just by the ideas that they hold but by the ideas that they used to hold. They are "neo-cons" because they used to be other then "cons". In fact it often refers to a specific group of people that changed from being liberal (or in some cases even socialist) partially because they supported a strong response against communism. By its original definition it could be argued that there are no new neo-cons. Someone might advocate some of the same policy ideas as some of the people who clearly are or were neo-cons but the situation is very different and so are the people that many are now calling neo cons, because they are conservative and they support Iraq or other American military efforts overseas. One is the Defense Policy Board. Its made up of Gingrich and other necons. There is some question about whether Gingrich would even qualify under the definition "neo con". For one thing I don't think that he was ever (at least in public life) anything other than a conservative. He wasn't on the left. The move from the left to the right (or at least center-right) is the main reason they where called "neo-cons" in the first place. I believe they are very well organized and very capable of a conspiracy theory. They are a conspiracy in the same way liberals, or libertarians, or "non-neo" conservatives are a conspiracy. They have certain political ideas and work with other people who share there ideas to try and see them implemented. In other words they are not really a conspiracy at all. Tim