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To: ChinuSFO who wrote (57938)2/6/2005 6:54:27 AM
From: lorneRead Replies (2) | Respond to of 81568
 
chinu....."Bush is creating more terrorists with the way he is fighting the terrorists. Not only that but he is also creating more enemies. What with Rice saying "Attacking Iran is not in the plans for now.""....

I disagree. The terrorists you speak of were always moslums laying dormant needing only a reason and an enemy to to bring out their true intentions. The enemy was always there...the infidels.... you look back in history and see if you can find any times when islam expanded at the cost of millions and millions of innocent and peaceful infidel lives? Now they again have a reason...bin laden and his gang of murderers.... Bush and America are only the focal points this time around of islam hatred. Bush is confronting islam terror and you should be thankful that your adopted country is leading the charge against this deadly virus ...islam terror.

IMO if the leader of America was the kind that preferred negotiating with the muslum terrorists instead of removing their threat from planet Earth the world would be in a heap more trouble in the future. American Presidents will change in the future and if a Democrat should be elected next time we all better hope that He/She continues the war against islam terror in even a more forceful way to remove this sickness from Human kind.

If islam terror should happen to appear to gain the upper hand in world opinion which side do you suppose the so called moderate moslums would come down on? And how many muslims are there in the world? Hate Bush if you wish but be thankful he is there at this time in history to confront islam terror.

Think again chinu....what kind of an sick minds would teach their own children to strap bombs on themselves and go out and murder innocent people? IMO these people are not going to be cured of their sickness...it is their belief....it is their way of life.

In just a few short years a place like Saudi Arabia is talking about changes to their education system...IMO the root of the islam terror crazies. Do you think this would have come about if Bush had not confronted islam terror in their own back yard?



To: ChinuSFO who wrote (57938)2/6/2005 7:43:17 AM
From: lorneRead Replies (1) | Respond to of 81568
 
Chinu. Does this outcome please you? Will you use this to berate you hated enemy Bush or are you capable of understanding that islam no matter where it is can not be trusted to ever do anything that may be against their religion.

The USA fought under clinton in defence of moslums in Former Yugoslavia and the thanks from the world of islam..... 9/11

The first world Trade Center bombing should have been a BIG wake up call to the free world of the intentions of islam crazies.....but it was not.....9/11 may never have happened if the USA reacted then as they are now.

I will bring al-Sadr into government, says the man tipped to be Iraq's new PM
By Toby Harnden in Baghdad
(Filed: 06/02/2005)
news.telegraph.co.uk

A leading contender to become Iraq's new prime minister has offered to welcome Moqtadr al-Sadr, the demagogic Shia cleric behind bloody uprisings against coalition forces, into a new government expanded to include those who boycotted the election.

Ibrahim al-Jaafari, a moderate Shia whose United Iraqi Alliance (UIA) list is certain to top last weekend's poll, told The Telegraph that Sadr, wanted for alleged involvement in the hacking to death of a fellow cleric, was "a good person" who could play a constructive role in the new Iraq.

"Moqtadr Sadr's father was killed by Saddam Hussein," he said. "He has a large number of followers. We can involve them. If they are not killers, and if we have no evidence against them, then we can give them a chance to share in the political process."

His comments show the lengths to which Iraq's likely new leaders are prepared to go in order to divide the insurgency and marginalise its most fanatical elements. Last spring, American spokesmen were insisting that Sadr, whose rebel Mahdi army has killed British and American troops, be "killed or captured". Sadr, who on Friday called for all coalition troops to be withdrawn, also has ties with figures in Iran who might welcome failure in Iraq.

As he staked his claim for the premiership, Dr Jaafari, who lived in exile in Britain before the US-led invasion of Iraq and still maintains a family home in Wembley, north London, also said there could be a role for leaders of Iraq's Sunni minority who boycotted the poll. "It's not necessary that all those who are going to share in the government should have participated in the election," he said. "We have Sunni brothers who do not believe in elections and we respect them. We think they are very honest and talk frankly."

Dr Jaafari, 57, sipped lemon tea in his office in a mansion that overlooks an ornamental lake in the heavily protected Green Zone, as he set out his ambitious agenda for drawing both Sunni rejectionists and disaffected Shia into government.

He lives under constant threat of assassination and, although the notion initially offended his sensibilities, American guards use sniffer dogs to check all electronic items brought into the building, while a US Army Humvee is stationed outside.

The new assembly, which will draw up Iraq's constitution, is supposed to have 275 members, but Dr Jaafari, a physician who advocates a moderate Islamic state, said more seats could be added: "In politics, nothing is fixed. We are dealing with something new."

Even former members of the Ba'ath Party, which forced him into exile, could take part so long as they did not have blood on their hands. "We have to be open to all those within our country, with the exception of those who have killed our people," he said.

That formulation would open the door to followers of Sadr, whose Mahdi army killed soldiers but generally refrained from targeting civilians, and will please Sunni politicians. Adnan Pachachi, the octogenarian elder statesman of Iraq who was foreign minister before the Ba'athists seized power in 1968, said former insurgents, particularly disaffected supporters of Saddam's regime, could be accommodated.

"If they have committed terrible crimes, that's another matter, they have to be tried in a court of law," he said. "But others… there is a possibility of involving them."

Dr Jaafari's name was second on the UIA list, which had the blessing of Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, Shia Islam's most revered religious leader. It is believed that Abdel Aziz Hakim, the cleric who headed the list, is not interested in becoming prime minister, but Adel Abdel Mahdi, now finance minister and also on it, is a strong contender.

Early results from some mostly Shia provinces last week suggest that the UIA has won a wide victory over the rival and secular "Iraqi list", headed by Ayad Allawi, the interim prime minister, whom many Shia leaders regard as unacceptable. Polls last year found Dr Jaafari to be Iraq's most popular politician and its most recognised leader after Mr Sistani.

Dr Jaafari is stressing secular values, in an attempt to reassure potential partners in what may be a multi-party government. Limiting the rights of women was unacceptable, he said. "This would cause a problem between me and my wife because she is a surgeon. She can open an abdomen but not drive a car? It is not logical."

Asked if Dr Allawi could remain prime minister, Dr Jaafari suggested it would be undemocratic to give the job to a man who finished a distant second: "We have to respect the choice of the voters and prove we are really taking into consideration the process of election." He was ready, he confirmed, to lead Iraq. "My goal was the election and I have no larger ambition. But suppose my people choose me, probably I'm going to agree."

Mr Pachachi said: "The horse trading has already begun."



To: ChinuSFO who wrote (57938)2/6/2005 7:50:25 AM
From: lorneRespond to of 81568
 
chinu. Any sane and educated sensible person knows just how stupid and ridiculous the following story is....but how many of the worlds 1.5 billion muslims will believe it? and of course some liberal minds in the free world who just can't handle freedom.

Saudi official: Bin Laden sent by Jews
Defense minister spoke ahead of global confab in Riyadh
February 5, 2005

Speaking at a meeting of Saudi leaders in preparation for the kingdom's international conference on counterterrorism, Defense Minister Prince Sultan referred to Osama bin Laden as being "sent by the Jews."

The prince was quoting a poet who said, "Long live security - may its men hold their heads high on every corner. [Bin Laden], whose ideology is sick, who was sent by the Jews, who is the architect of theft, was treacherous and sent us the criminals. This traitor of the nation tried to harm us, but his efforts boomeranged back upon him."

The prince's remarks can by viewed, with translation, at the Middle East Media Institute's special website of television clips [Clip No. 518].

The first-of-its-kind conference, beginning today through Tuesday, will be attended by leading counterterrorism experts from more than 50 countries, including the U.S.

But Israel is not invited, despite its extensive experience combating terrorism at home.

"We have invited all countries that have suffered from terrorism to the conference, and all have agreed to take part," said Prince Turki ibn Muhammad, assistant undersecretary for political affairs at the Saudi Foreign Ministry.

Organizers said participants will share information on how to fight terror and discuss its cause and links to organized crime.

Joint operations also will be discussed.

Prince Turki said efforts must be made to address root causes.

We have to address the reasons that lead to the spread of this dangerous phenomenon," he said.
worldnetdaily.com



To: ChinuSFO who wrote (57938)2/6/2005 8:03:45 AM
From: lorneRespond to of 81568
 
chinu. IMO here is what the enemy islam terror wants, someone who will unwittingly or wittingly speak out in America in defence of radical islam. Again IMO if you are a democrat you should be demanding that this pro radical islam person resign from the party. This guy and others like him is IMO one of the main reasons why the Democratic party in America is in such an unorganized and confused state.

Biden: Consider Iran's 'emotional needs'
Senator wants Bush administration to abandon military option
February 5, 2005

As Tehran raise fears with its increasing nuclear capability, the world must address Iran's emotional needs and agree to a nonagression pact, says Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del.

Biden was cited by Boston Globe columnist H.D.S. Greenway, who wrote that President Bush's rhetoric about freedom and specific references to Iran is making people wonder if Tehran will be the next target, after Iraq.

Greenway wrote yesterday: "Senator Joseph Biden said that even if Iran was a full democracy like India, it would want nuclear capability, like India. What the world needed to address was Iran's emotional needs, he said, with a nonaggression pact."

The columnist added that the U.S. and Europe might not succeed in preventing an Iranian nuclear bomb "unless they are willing to address Iran's nightmares and guarantee its safety. But that runs contrary to the reigning theology in Washington that divides the world into good and evil, and believes in the benefits of using force."

Reacting to Biden's concern for Tehran's needs, Jerome Corsi, author of "Unfit for Command" and "Atomic Iran," said: "Senator Biden has been a consistent supporter of the terrorist-supporting regime currently in control of Iran. He has accepted campaign contributions from the pro-mullah lobby in the U.S. Joe Biden is one of the mullahs' key 'go-to' guys when the mad mullahs in Tehran want a favor done for them in Washington D.C."

Biden engaged in a rare public exchange with an Iranian official Jan. 28 at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland.

The senator is at odds with administration officials who believe the way to handle Tehran's suspected nuclear weapons program and support for terrorism is through isolation.

After expressing concern about Tehran's nuclear intentions, the senator told Foreign Minister Kamal Kharrazi he also is urging his own government to rethink its positions.

"You have to grow up and my administration has to grow up, with all due respect, and find out if there is any common ground," Biden said. "We are on the course of unintended consequences."

Biden criticized Bush's unwillingness to rule out an armed response.

"I hope we're all smarter about this, smarter than we've been," he said. "I hope our leadership is brighter because if it's not, it's a very dull picture for the region, and for humanity."
worldnetdaily.com