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To: bentway who wrote (72056)	2/5/2005 2:36:13 PM
From: combjelly	Respond to of 89467

"Okay, bring on the excuses for the "Excuse President"!" It's Clinton's fault.

To: bentway who wrote (72056)	2/5/2005 2:44:00 PM
From: jlallen	Respond to of 89467

Speaking of fudging numbers...... GOT INK? WE PROBABLY SHOULD!: The city of Milwaukee, which rests revously only 90 minutes away by car from Chicago is having some old-school, Chicago-style, evidence come to the surface concerning their shams... er I mean... voting process. Considering that President Bush lost Wisconsin by less than 10% of the margin that John Kerry lost Ohio, that margin seems to shrink even more when you consider what is being reported in today's Journal Sentinel. Record-keeping surrounding the Nov. 2 presidential election in Milwaukee is so flawed that in 17 wards there were at least 100 more votes recorded than people listed by the city as voting there. In two wards, one on the south side and one on the north side, the gap is more than 500, with fewer than half the votes cast in each ward accounted for in the city's computer system, a Journal Sentinel review has found. Such gaps were present at different levels in nearly all of the city wards and could hamper the investigation launched last week by federal and local authorities into possible voter fraud by giving an incomplete or inaccurate picture of who actually voted. They also raise questions about the level of oversight of how the city records who voted in each ward - an important safeguard that, properly done, can be used to spot double voting and other problems. The truth is that the great possibility of ballot stuffing - combined with the now indicted Kerry campaign workers who slashed the tires on election morning of GOP "get out the vote" vans, and the narrow margin of difference all seem to point to Wisconsin as a legitimate state where the results of the vote should be challenged. As opposed to Ohio where the process was so transparently clear, and above board. Will the new in coming DNC chair (most likely Howard Dean) be willing to address these issues of corruption? Important questions, that deserve to be answered. And maybe the most practical question of all - if it meant we could eliminate voter faud, would the DNC Chair be interested in proposing indelible (even red and blue) ink to document one's participation? For what it's worth I think it would work... www.rantburg.com

To: bentway who wrote (72056)	2/5/2005 3:44:30 PM
From: Oeconomicus	Respond to of 89467

"You Repugnicans fudge numbers left and right, ignore bad numbers and fake good numbers." LOL. Sorry to confront you with facts. I know you find them troubling. "You go with whichever employment figure looks best for Bush at the time." Which do you prefer? The ones that show 1.8 million jobs in the last year or the ones that show 2.2 million? You can find them both at www.bls.gov if you aren't afraid to look. Oh, and you might be interested in knowing that the non-farm payrolls number - the number you guys tend to prefer because it doesn't count all the small business and self-employed folks - is now ahead of its bubble peak at the beginning of Bush first term, so you're also wrong in your last claim that Bush hasn't improved on Clinton's final numbers. Just thought you'd want to know. I know how important factual accuracy is to you guys... Or perhaps I have you confused with someone rational.