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To: Raymond Duray who wrote (60054)	2/5/2005 10:05:18 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

<the rich find it necessary to imprison themselves in gated communities, fearing for their lives, their money and their way of life because they've stolen it all from the rest of humanity. > Ray, the last time I checked, [an hour ago], CDMA cyberphones were being sold on a voluntary basis to anyone who wanted one. I saw no compulsion, theft or stealing, just adults freely transacting to buy goods and services. You are obviously confused. Also, in Los Angeles, I've seen bars on the windows. Not the windows of prisons, but of regular houses which very obviously did NOT belong to rich people. It's not just rich people fearing for their lives and buying security services and gated communities. There's something to be said for how Saudi Arabia handles crime. Mqurice

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (60054)	2/6/2005 2:24:48 AM
From: elmatador	Respond to of 74559

Brazil had to wait for my generation to make that future possible. The past generations were importing models from abroad. They thought they were better, since they were so much ahead. We have discovered in the last 25 years that we should forget the models and press with ours if it is not there we should create it. The WSF thing is one of those imported things to screw us disguised as a model to help. WSF brought Jose Bouve, the Mac Donalds smashing French man. We should not promote a lobbyist for subsidized farming. As you probably know food bills in Europe could be 30% lower if they could buy foodstuffs or products from abroad. It is this barrier to agricultural products from poorer countries that works against those countries get up by themselves. Environmentalism is also protecting markets by another name by the use of tricks. For me these tree-hugging are protecting the forestry sector in developed countries since they fear our trees that grow in 7 years vs. theirs who grow in 20 years. Fish farming the same. See they call it forestry in another countries is called destroying the environment. I keep thinking that DDT (I have to make some research on this yet) was forbidden because it would have wiped out all those mosquitoes vectors for malaria and the market for medicines would have vanished. These developing countries should start smarting up and discovering their own ways of solving problems instead of using imported models. Genetic engineering is probably the scientific application that would allow developing countries to go their won way.

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (60054)	2/6/2005 3:38:50 AM
From: elmatador	Respond to of 74559

Sorry everyone. I was wrong. I was thinking that the whole thing about the UK Minister was about getting some moolah to grease the economic wheels and help the poor nations get going. Alas, it is not. It is just a cunning European plot to use air-travellers money to get rich. Read this. <At yesterday's G7 summit in London, chaired by the Chancellor, the Treasury agreed to consider proposals from the French and German governments for a new tax on aircraft fuel as a way of helping Africa to meet the Millennium Development Goals of cutting poverty, reducing infant mortality and getting more children into school. Brown has proposed an 'international finance facility,' which he says would raise an extra $50 billion (£26bn) for developing countries through the issue of bonds, to be paid for through future aid budgets; but France and Germany would prefer to levy a new tax, on aircraft fuel - the so-called Landau proposals. Environmental campaigners also favour an airline fuel tax, which could help to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by pushing up the price of air travel. Environmentalists, however, last night welcomed the development. Stephen Joseph, director of campaign group Transport 2000, said: 'We have been saying for years that aviation is under-taxed compared to other forms of transport. > observer.guardian.co.uk The Europeans, in name of alleviating poverty, tax air travellers pocket the money, send some boxes of vaccines to hospitals in Africa, most probably army stockpiles approaching expiration dates. Now you can see how environmentlaism can damage the world in the hands of the politicians. Europeans keep thinking they are virtue. Poor countries keep, well, poor, and the world will keep moving as always did. Beware of Europeans bringing gifts. Guess we the Hindus and Chinese have to do the job of getitng rid of poverty.!