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To: RetiredNow who wrote (217772)	2/6/2005 1:24:25 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1575624

So what would I do? I'd do the same thing. I'd kick the Mexicans out and then take the strategic areas like the Heights, so that the Mexicans can't have strategic advantage again. If we experience terrorism, I'd feel completely justified in crushing the insurgency relentlessly. In fact, I'd build a big and tall wall to keep the murderers out. If the Mexican residents found it impossible to overcome their hatred of us Americans, I'd pass a law compensating them for their land and kick them out of our country. Lastly, I'd redraw the borders to what is defensible and then I'd arm the borders to the teeth and brutally crush any attempt to cross those borders. Does that answer your question? And the way you feel about the Mexicans in the hypothetical story above is the way the Arabs feel about the Israelis. Maybe now you might have a drop of empathy for the Arabs and not just the Israelis. ted

To: RetiredNow who wrote (217772)	2/7/2005 12:35:51 AM
From: Elroy	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1575624

tejeck, you want to compare the Mexicans and Americans to Palestinians and Jews. I think it is a farfetched and ridiculous comparison. Dude, he wants to compare the Pals and the Israelis to any country occupying land where the residents don't get to be citizens of the occupying country. So they were legitimate legal owners of those lands. This is the key assumption that doesn't work in the Israel-Pal comparison. Israel's neighbors have never agreed to this assumption, so you (some guy living on the other side of the planet) shouldn't make it. In fact, Mexicans hate Americans so much, they can't stand the idea of having to live side by side with them. This is also not accurate. Arabs didn't "hate" Jews prior to the founding of Israel. Jews were just one of many ethnic minority groups that lived in Arabia. The "hatred" comes when the Israelis declare a Jewish nation in the middle of Arabia, and millions of Arabs either leave or get kicked out (depending on who's version of 1947-8 events you believe) of the new Jewish nation, and then in 1967 the Israelis capture more land (Gaza, Sainai, West Bank, Golan Heights) and begin to build "Jewish" settlements around the Arab refugees that have lived there all their lives. If we experience terrorism, I'd feel completely justified in crushing the insurgency relentlessly. Terrorism and fighting for a homeland are not the same thing, at all. The Palestinians are terrorist only if you believe in the idea of permanent 2nd class citizens. Israel has won all the wars. As the victor it is their duty to rebuild their defeated opponents in a way that is acceptable to them and to their opponents. Israel has failed to do that.